54" Roof Mounted LED Light Bar BLUNDER - Why I went with a hidden LED light bar

dr_r2r

Observer
I agree too, that's why I've been running a magnetic golight mount. Only use it when I need it and it fits perfect on one of the flushed compartments of the Cayenne. It's also remote controlled and I can point it anywhere I want it to illuminate whether I'm inside the Cayenne or outside.
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Buddha.

Finally in expo white.
They have them tied to the wrong side of the high beam circuit. DRL is on the high beam circuit and therefore if they do not turn the switch off, they bar is on when the headlight is off.

That's why I had such a hard time wiring my lights last week!!?? I couldn't figure out why my lights, tied into the high beam circuit were on all the time. I eventually figured it out.EDIT I got lucky and found a wire at random that worked.
 
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Highway Camper

New member
I am going to start a company that makes plastic fake stick on light bars, hi-lift jacks, winches, and all the other things a good mall crawler has to have, just fake, light, and cheap. Ya think that stuff would sell?
 

kojackJKU

Autism Family Travellers!
Can I invest in the company with you? I often thought about that. ha ha. just duct tape a bunch of flashlights together .....cheap and effective.
 

Bravo1782

Adventurer
Uhhh...someone may have beat you to it....
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anickode

Adventurer
In my opinion, Roof mounted LED bars are the truck equivalent of ricers putting 55w 6500k HID conversions into their factory dual-filament halogen reflector headlights on their honda civics. The output is excessively bright, a useless color temperature, and the beam pattern is absolutely destroyed. They throw more light to the sides and up in the air than actually hits the road, and there is no high/low beam. Just on and off. Make your headlights useless to the driver, annoying to other drivers, and dangerous for everyone, especially when the weather turns bad. All for the "cool" factor.

The only LEDs I run on my truck are on the rack, and they point to the sides and back for reverse and area lighting. They are tied into reverse lamps via diode, and a manual switch for area/work light. I don't care for the color, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make for the reduced battery drain with the engine off.

Power consumption is, to an extent, irrelevant for road illumination, since the engine is always running while driving.

I'll stick with my setup. 3x Q4509s and 2x 4313s, mounted in some good tough tractor light housings. (Not cheapies from harbor freight)
 

anickode

Adventurer
When I turned mine on I was not thinking this

When I posted that it was in the context of throwing overly powerful HID bulbs into factory reflector headlights, for the sake of form over function. A comparison.

All I'm saying is that while they look cool, and are super bright, from a quantitative standpoint, there are better options. Human eyes make best use of light that is between 2700°k and 3000°k. Same color as the sun. (Crazy, right?) Glare from bluer colors is harsher and more offensive to the eyes. Having 50,000 lumens or more blasting out the front will TOTALLY deactivate your night vision. If you're using that light on the road and have to shut it off because a car is coming towards you, your low beams will seem like a BIC lighter on your bumper. Being on your roof, it will crest a hill before your eyes do, and easily blind an oncoming driver before you even realize it's there.

Granted, these problems are irrelevant if you use the light as intended, for off-road use only, where there are no reflective signs, oncoming traffic, or need to turn them on and off. But MANY people use them on the road. Just like the people who put HID bulbs in their halogen reflector headlights, which is also illegal.
 

4x4junkie

Explorer
Sunlight can actually be up to about 5500°K, depending on time of day.

The problem here though isn't the color temperature of the light as it is spectral discontinuity. HID is bad enough, but LED (5000°K & higher) is many times worse. 50-60% of their total light output is directly at ~450nm (a deep glaring blue color), with a small hint of light distributed from about 525-650nm to give it a "white" color (generated by a phosphor coating put over the blue LED chip). This discontinuity is a technical limitation of all current phosphor-based LEDs. The discontinuity is less pronounced for LEDs of a lower color temperature, and indeed it is in the range of 2700-3700°K their uniformity is about as good as it can get. Yet I'm not aware of a single vehicle lighting product that falls anywhere near that temp range (lots of household stuff is within it though, which is where I have sourced much of my modified LED camp lighting equipment from).
It seems this is just another example of where quality takes a back seat to big numbers & marketing ("It's 6000K just like Daylight!!!"). Right.



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Burb One

Adventurer
In my opinion, Roof mounted LED bars are the truck equivalent of ricers putting 55w 6500k HID conversions into their factory dual-filament halogen reflector headlights on their honda civics. The output is excessively bright, a useless color temperature, and the beam pattern is absolutely destroyed. They throw more light to the sides and up in the air than actually hits the road, and there is no high/low beam. Just on and off. Make your headlights useless to the driver, annoying to other drivers, and dangerous for everyone, especially when the weather turns bad. All for the "cool" factor.

The only LEDs I run on my truck are on the rack, and they point to the sides and back for reverse and area lighting. They are tied into reverse lamps via diode, and a manual switch for area/work light. I don't care for the color, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make for the reduced battery drain with the engine off.

Power consumption is, to an extent, irrelevant for road illumination, since the engine is always running while driving.

I'll stick with my setup. 3x Q4509s and 2x 4313s, mounted in some good tough tractor light housings. (Not cheapies from harbor freight)

I honestly disagree. I have a roof mounted 50" light bar on my suburban. Albeit if I had to do it over again, I would maybe go for a smaller one (However that would look odd on my full size suburban width.)

I did have a small(30") light bar mounted on my bumper in the grille, but found it blocked the precious airflow to my transmission cooler (And wouldnt fit when I added an aux transmission cooler fan). With the thule, solar, and axe/shovel mount on the roof, the air was already being disturbed, so I saw it is a natural place for the light. Of course, as mentioned you have to do it right, moved slightly back for glare and do some testing for whistiing/ sound. Saying that people using these on the road is a whole other issue....

The $150 I spent on a black friday cheap chinese ebay 50" light bar, is one of the better investments I've made to the truck. I had planned on using it, to see if I like it and then replace with with a $$$ Rigid bar if it worked for me. Three years later that hasn't happened because it's still going strong. Seeing how most of our trips, we arrive to the forest at night due to work commitments, it is used every time we are offroad, and while there are possibly "better" lights that throw better, or have a slightly better color temperature, it was hard to beat the price.. Between the light bar, high beams, and a few rock/proximity lights in the bumper I am extremely happy, and don't find it unnecessary at all.

Again, this is one of those things, where it looks the part, and the crappy thing is many people don't use their rigs to it's potential so seeing them on mall rigs is annoying. However, who cares? Posers aren't stopping me from putting fender flares, an exhaust and wider tires on my track car, because I am worried about people judging me on the rare times I am driving it to the store.

Is a 50" lightbar on my truck necessary? No, and also has some downsides in certain applications. Would a 30" in the grill suffice? Probably, and also has downsides in certain applications.

In the end, read about your options, think it out for YOUR uses, while using the advice others have while applying it to your use (Example the glare). I had a problem with what I had, weighed out the options, and saw a solution. This may be different than what your problem and solutions may be, as it may be different then the problem and solution the guy who mall crawls does (he just wants to look cool). Good for him, if that's what he/her bought his/her truck for, fine by me, as long as they enjoy it.

Saying all that, my addition to the hate on the LED bars is that the LED lights, in a serious snow storm, don't create enough heat to melt the snow/ ice from building up in front of them.
 
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kojackJKU

Autism Family Travellers!
Plus their beams are utter crap for snow/rain/fog. Even if they did melt snow etc, an LED bar, will just blind you with overpowering blue/white light. Just has having HID into your headlights would.
 

Boost Creep

Adventurer
i have a 40" bar under my roof rack. its approximately above my head in my seated position so the roof blocks the glare and still gets plenty of light down the road. zero wind noise

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anickode

Adventurer
Plus their beams are utter crap for snow/rain/fog. Even if they did melt snow etc, an LED bar, will just blind you with overpowering blue/white light. Just has having HID into your headlights would.

That reminds me... last winter I saw a Wrangler Unlimited, totally decked out with an exoskeleton rack, huge lift, monster mud tires, winches, bumpers, fenders, hi-lifts, All of it done to the 9's. Feeling his way down the road in heavy-ish snow on the expressway at 4mph with not one, but TWO 48" led bars, one on the rack, one on the Hood, blasting ahead. As I came up behind him, I was blinded by the glare coming back off the snow. Finally was able to pass him. As I passed, I looked over, and he had SUNGLASSES on to fight the glare. Once I was passed, I had to move all my mirrors so as not to be blinded from behind. Once my eyes adjusted back, I was able to comfortably do 35 MPH with my low beams and yellow halogen fogs leading the way.
 

Highway Camper

New member
I don't know what the laws are other places bu in Cal if you even turn one of those bars on and a LEO see you on the highway you will be busted. I have seen them in use in the desert at night and it's quite a show, best viewed from a distance. I remember when all off road lights had to be covered when on the highway. Seems that the tricked out Wrangler has become the modern day hot rod.
 

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