80 or 100
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ckkone
Explorer
98 and 99 had an optional rear locker. 2000+ have fancy electronics that work well.
Stronger, more power and don't commonly blow head gaskets
Looks like you already narrowed it down to a 100 if you are going to be financing.
I've had both an 80 and 100; my wife’s only regret is that we did not get a 100 sooner.
If you put a gun to my head a made me get an 80, I would get the LX450 trim. Of the 80's I have seen that can go places a 100 might not be able to, I wouldn't consider them expedition vehicles, rather I would consider them trailer buggies not really suitable for daily driving...
RAM5500 CAMPERTHING
OG Portal Member #183
I just sold my 80 to buy a 100 series.
Here are my reasons.
First off, i absolutely LOVE my 80 and think it is the best bang for the buck 4x4 made, PERIOD!
Main reason is POWER. The 80 lacks the ability to tow anything when modified for serious overland use.
I am shifting my priorities a bit and need something that can tow a car hauler and a car on a somewhat regular basis. My 80 simply would not cut it at its current state with all the mods.
I plan on finding a clean 98-99 100 series, doing some much lighter duty mods, and having a double duty rig as an overlanding vehicle and a tow rig.
The 80 is already somewhat underpowered, but add a tent, bumpers, winch, sliders, fridge, etc.... and the already sluggish 80 isnt going to be up for the task of towing anything bigger then an Adventure Trailer (or similar). Sure, modifications can be made such as gearing and tranny coolers and such, but either way, its overstressing the powerplant.
My 80 has brought me to some amazing far-a-way places that i wouldnt have been able to get to without it and i will definitely miss it, but i am looking forward to "moving on"
Either way, you cant go wrong, but as others have said, the 80 is geared to more serious wheeling, where as the 100 is the perfect candidate for a more "overland oriented" use!
My .02
Carry On!
Here are my reasons.
First off, i absolutely LOVE my 80 and think it is the best bang for the buck 4x4 made, PERIOD!
Main reason is POWER. The 80 lacks the ability to tow anything when modified for serious overland use.
I am shifting my priorities a bit and need something that can tow a car hauler and a car on a somewhat regular basis. My 80 simply would not cut it at its current state with all the mods.
I plan on finding a clean 98-99 100 series, doing some much lighter duty mods, and having a double duty rig as an overlanding vehicle and a tow rig.
The 80 is already somewhat underpowered, but add a tent, bumpers, winch, sliders, fridge, etc.... and the already sluggish 80 isnt going to be up for the task of towing anything bigger then an Adventure Trailer (or similar). Sure, modifications can be made such as gearing and tranny coolers and such, but either way, its overstressing the powerplant.
My 80 has brought me to some amazing far-a-way places that i wouldnt have been able to get to without it and i will definitely miss it, but i am looking forward to "moving on"
Either way, you cant go wrong, but as others have said, the 80 is geared to more serious wheeling, where as the 100 is the perfect candidate for a more "overland oriented" use!
My .02
Carry On!
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calamaridog
Expedition Leader
Kevin,
Let me know what you are looking for and I'll keep my eye out for you.
Let me know what you are looking for and I'll keep my eye out for you.
RAM5500 CAMPERTHING
OG Portal Member #183
calamaridog said:
Thanks Brian
I will be making an official "Search Post" later, but here is the gist of it:
100 Series Criteria:
-98 or 99 only
-Exterior = Silver, Charcoal Grey, or White (only if no brown body cladding) Only
-Must have grey interior
-Must have rear locker
-Must be stock soccer mom condition
-No Fake Wood Interior Stuff!
(yes, i know it can be removed, but if i am paying this much $, i want it right!)Ideal would be a low end strippo model with no sunroof, roof rack, etc... They are super rare, but do exist.
Would like to spend no more then $13k, but will spend more if the rig is right!
Thanks Brian!
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Ryanmb21
Expedition Leader
Redline said:
here is some info for a 4runner, looks a bit different:
http://www.toyota120.com/html/ao_roof_rack.html
Brian894x4
Explorer
Boston Mangler said:I just sold my 80 to buy a 100 series.
Here are my reasons.
First off, i absolutely LOVE my 80 and think it is the best bang for the buck 4x4 made, PERIOD!
Main reason is POWER. The 80 lacks the ability to tow anything when modified for serious overland use.
I am shifting my priorities a bit and need something that can tow a car hauler and a car on a somewhat regular basis. My 80 simply would not cut it at its current state with all the mods.
I plan on finding a clean 98-99 100 series, doing some much lighter duty mods, and having a double duty rig as an overlanding vehicle and a tow rig.
The 80 is already somewhat underpowered, but add a tent, bumpers, winch, sliders, fridge, etc.... and the already sluggish 80 isnt going to be up for the task of towing anything bigger then an Adventure Trailer (or similar). Sure, modifications can be made such as gearing and tranny coolers and such, but either way, its overstressing the powerplant.
My 80 has brought me to some amazing far-a-way places that i wouldnt have been able to get to without it and i will definitely miss it, but i am looking forward to "moving on"
Either way, you cant go wrong, but as others have said, the 80 is geared to more serious wheeling, where as the 100 is the perfect candidate for a more "overland oriented" use!
My .02
Carry On!
As far as the power improvement on the 100, I know it definatley has more power on paper 230/320 verses 212/275, but the 100 weighes a quarter ton more. Also the 100 appears to have slightly lower gearing 4.3 verseas 4.1 according to Slee's website, which is definately going to give it some advantage in the power feel department.
I guess it makes me wonder what the true difference between a bone stock 100 and bone stock 80 would be, if both had the same rear gearing. I'm sure the 100 would still easily be more powerful, but would it be "that" much more powerful?
Of course 55 ft/lbs of torque is significant...but is it enough to offset the extra weight and be that much more significant?
I will say the headgasket issue on the 80s absolute terrifies me. Stranglely enough, when I talk to dealers, they almost never see them and have no idea what I'm talking about when I refer to a common head gasket issue. Same with a local Land Cruiser repair shop. They work on mostly 40s and 60s, but do 80s also and again, never heard of such a problem.
Yet, the web makes it sound like a guaranteed thing that we'll all have to endure at some point, no matter what. Sort of like death and taxes.
So, I don't know....
For a rig that was primarily used for road trips, some off roading, but not expected to be heavily modified (minimal lift, maybe 33s) I would definately like to have a 100 for all the reasons already stated. The extra weight does concern me as does the reduced rated capacity, which is significantly less than the 80, but the 100 has several obvious advantages for road use.
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mike h
Adventurer
Brian894x4 said:
I think the HG is a valid concern, especially among those of us who do leave the mall parking lots for points unknown. But the fear and dread on the web reflects people's experiences who have had that problem and look for help. It also reflects the on-line knowledge community that is very strong with cult vehicles like LCs. But, there is no way to find out how many people have no HG issues the entire life of their 80. You do get a glimpse of that when you talk to dealers and mechanics; and they say 'rarely'. But then again, they see very few LCs in general.
HGs happen - I blew one on my 87 4Runner, and they are common in several Subaru's, Discos, etc, ...the list goes on. No vehicle is immune to a potential HG failure. Many, many motors need a complete rebuild before 200k, and within LCs we complain that maybe, perhaps, someday, on occasion... we may blow a HG. We do it as PM or we fix it when it goes, and hey, then we're good for another 200k, right?
As far as the 80 vs 100 debates, which are fun to spectate, my opinion is simple: every 80 owner will eventually buy a 100. And if we live long enuf, and gasoline remains available, we'll buy a 200 after that. Just remember how the 60 series LC owners hated the 80 redesign way back when...
spressomon
Expedition Leader
'98-'02 LC 100's = 4.30 ring & pinion (4 sp auto tranny)
'03+ LC 100's = 4.10 ring & pinion (5 sp auto tranny)
'03+ LC 100's = 4.10 ring & pinion (5 sp auto tranny)
Brian894x4
Explorer
Anyone know the gear ratios on the 4 verses 5 speed auto.
I'll tell ya what, if the lottery ever goes my way, a late model LC100 with the higher h.p. V-8 and 5 speed auto sure sounds like a nice ride.
Don't tempt me.
I'll tell ya what, if the lottery ever goes my way, a late model LC100 with the higher h.p. V-8 and 5 speed auto sure sounds like a nice ride.
Don't tempt me.
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spressomon
Expedition Leader
Brian894x4 said:Anyone know the gear ratios on the 4 verses 5 speed auto.
I'll tell ya what, if the lottery ever goes my way, a late model LC100 with the higher h.p. V-8 and 5 speed auto sure sounds like a nice ride.
Don't tempt me.
http://forum.ih8mud.com/1838391-post9.html