A camper worth waiting for

I'm not that smart... ;)
Neither was I, but the smell of the waste tank coming into my current motorhome (it has no traps in any of the drains :rolleyes:) was so bad I had to fit an extraction fan. I had to make a circuit to protect the batteries from over discharging but as is usual with me, one thing led to another and it ended up looking like this -
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Hysteresis was added to the circuit in the form of a simple resister across the comparator to stop the fan turning itself on and off at the threshold voltage. The most over the top extraction fan you'll ever see!

In fact, a very similar circuit could be used in conjunction with a standard temperature sender to create a customisable temperature range that the engine coolant flows through the camper piping. Since the sender is simply a temperature dependent resistor, the voltage decreases after passing through it. This can be compared to a second voltage of your choosing (the standard would be around 2V for 60 degrees) and with a carefully selected resistor for hysteresis it could be shut off at another voltage of your choosing (1V for 80 degrees). In fact instead of a fixed resistance as I have in my circuit, you could have a variable resistor (potentiometer) with a manual dial that could give you an infinitely controllable temperature that the valve closes and the boiler turns off!

The output of the circuit could control a relay which in turn opens and closes an electric valve on the engine coolant pipes. It could also manually turn the boiler on and off.

Not sure if any of that is feasible as I'm only new to this game and surely others have thought of a better solution than that. But I do enjoy solving problems that I create for myself...
 
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Should also mention that the deciding factor to go down this 4x4 route was Abenteuer & Allrad. That show will do that to a person... If anyone has the opportunity to attend I highly recommend it. As is so often mentioned, the camping was the best part of the show though. I was thoroughly underwhelmed with what manufacturers were offering and the prices they were asking when compared to what Australia has to offer with EC, ATW etc. But I guess that's just my personal preference.
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Euro-spec EarthCruiser FX.
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Plenty of big trucks to pull me out in case I got bogged...
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Beautiful home built rig parked up next to me in camp.
 
Hi Mark. Ultimately you will decide your level of luxury. I can't comment much on the body because mine was ex army and already built. Suffice to say it is way heavier than required for a camper. It is not mounted on a sub frame but is rubber mounted to chassis. Being a swb with parabolics I think lessens the need for independent sub frame as the suspension actually moves lessening the requirement for chassis twist. I have no issues in that area and perhaps it makes it simpler, however long term,the sub frame may be the gold standard.

Personally, I have found the inclusion of things like air conditioners to be excessive. I had one,almost never used it,took it out,sold it,saved 40kg in weight, never regretted doing that.

A diesel heater is on the list but way down in priority, especially in Australian conditions. 2 Doonas are less expensive, simpler and won't break down.

In my experience, we spend very little time inside the camper body apart from sleeping. We are almost always outside enjoying what we came to experience. The point is, I think, to create a reliable ,simple and comfortable set up with minimum complexity. This reduces cost,project time,and the need to maintain and fix things.

More specifically.
1. Suspension and wheels and tyres are a priority - I have a recent post on the first page atm
2. Definately need turbo on FG637
3. Your lithium sounds good but in my experience, creating a power hungry set up, while perhaps being serviceable by battery capacity, will be limited by your charging capacity. We have our roof covered in 750w of solar and we almost never get full wack with the flat mounting. It is supported by alternator charging but only on the move. Running a/c may be a bridge too far in terms of charging capability, and adds more complexity that probably won't be used much.
While on this, we chose to use an inverter to run a portable induction cooktop and have found this can be an excellent option to say a lpg installation. We have a butane lunch box cooker as backup. Of course, the 240 is also handy for other things. One less fuel source to find, and unlimited power when stationary for a while.
4. Im writing this as I wait for the annual COI on my truck, so a bit rushed. As you mentioned, avoiding QLD rego would be a plus as it is inflexible.
5. Insurance wise, we are with Ken Tame, kind of a specialist motorhome insurer. I don't think there are many others that want to know you. About $800 per annum comprehensive.
Out of ideas atm ..
Cheers
Neil
 

LeishaShannon

Adventurer
If you're going to be building a large electrical system I'd consider reverse cycle AC for heating. The new version of ours https://mhiaa.com.au/products/model...-split-systems-avanti-plus-srk20zsxa-w/print/ is even more efficient with an EER of 6.5 , it'll pump 1kw of heat sipping less than 200 watts. The only gotcha might be the minimum operating temperature of -15c...
A lot of people initially suggested our domestic fridge, AC and other appliances may not be up to the rigours of offload travel but its been 3yrs full time now without a failure. The performance (efficiency) and cost are significantly better than "RV" appliances. The trickiest bit is working out how to securely mount everything but I'm sure you'll be fine :)

Steer clear of DC aircon units, they're all terribly inefficient , noisy, and expensive.

Our camper is built with the thicker 35mm Vanglass panels and because there is no gas ventilation requirement its basically airtight (so much so after being closed up for a few days in FNQ rain the co2 levels were dangerously high)

We haven't been anywhere "cold" but when its 0c outside I still need to crack window to be comfortable as its quite warm inside due to "waste" heat from fridges, inverters, etc.

Workout what appliances you want, Sketch everything in CAD but don't forget to leave enough space for different models / brands incase availability becomes an issue in the future. Eg. our fridge is a Samsung 255L inverter model which is 555mm wide but a lot of the others were 580mm so I designed the fridge mount 600mm wide.

Enjoy the build ! Hopefully yours goes a bit quicker than ours and a lot of the others on here ;)
 

steve66

Observer
Hi Mark, Shannon speaks from good experience, have a look back at his build thread, I borrowed plenty of idea's for our rig. Another thumbs up for the Natures Head dunny, I've mounted it on a slide with actuator so the shower floor space has 2 uses. if you have to crap and shower at the same time then your in a world of hurt already :)

We went with an electric towel rail, much less complicated, easier to control and nice gentle heat.

Good Luck and Cheers Steve
 

trackadda

Observer
just to back up on some of the suggestion above, first the natures head composting toilet, great water saving and space saving. second the use of a digetal inverter 240 volt fridge, i have chosen the lg 450 litre upside down [freezer on bottom] fridge, this will run of a 300 to 375 watt inverter with power to spare and use no more power than a 12/24 volt fridge and less than a 3 way fridge. i have gone with the styromax 30mm panel and make sure you look into the floor sheeting that they do as well. Some recent photos of my build with this panel are on here some where
 

steve66

Observer
Same Fridge Tracka, or maybe you got it from me :), I've tested mine over a year and it uses a tiny amount of power, less than my 90lt Waceo.

Shannon did a great review on how he tested the different panel types, the Vanglass came out on top for strength and 2nd in insulation from memory.

These are just some of the hundreds of decisions we all have to make with these builds. I always marvel at how we each come up with a different result from similar starting points. Half the fun I reckon. The wife is ready for me to stop playing now and start using it but.
 

trackadda

Observer
Same Fridge Tracka, or maybe you got it from me :), I've tested mine over a year and it uses a tiny amount of power, less than my 90lt Waceo.

Shannon did a great review on how he tested the different panel types, the Vanglass came out on top for strength and 2nd in insulation from memory.

These are just some of the hundreds of decisions we all have to make with these builds. I always marvel at how we each come up with a different result from similar starting points. Half the fun I reckon. The wife is ready for me to stop playing now and start using it but.
i have learnt a lot by reading about every ones building ideas both on here and face book and don't forget my old mate google and hope that i can now pass some of that onto the next person. Makes you wonder how we all survived before the inter web hey. i did look at the van glass but wanted the smooth finish inside and out that they couldn't do at that stage. very happy with the strength of the styromax though. I haven't got my fridge in yet, still sitting in the box waiting but happy with all the figures i see from others that run them.
 
Wow, thanks for all of that! I'll try to give my thoughts and current but mouldable views on some of the points that you've all raised.

Air Conditioning
At the moment this is fairly low on our list of priorities. Our plans will be to travel in the Americas in the more comfortable seasons for each region - ie. Canada in the summer, Death Valley in the winter etc. so with the pop top being able to be fully open and a tropical roof of solar panels on top I feel we will remain comfortable. We've survived Greece in the summer in our current motorhome which has massive untinted roof vents all along it with no air con and mine will be much better insulated than that. It is however something I think that we might add in the future for long term travel in Australia when keeping below the magic 4500kg isn't as much of an issue. I must admit I wouldn't have thought the 240V AC would be so much more efficient than those Earthcruiser style Arctic Breeze units! But alas, you are correct (y)

Suspension and wheels
This will be the first addition to the build to make sure clearances are correct for the tanks, subframe etc. At the moment I like the look of Kym's 17" rims and the kinds of standard tyres that go with them as I hope that my camper will be on the light side and suitable for said tyres. The 19.5" seem like they might be overkill for the weights I'll be carrying and perhaps limit my tyre choice around the world. (Please correct me if I'm wrong or if you have another suggestion!). I understand that they are steel and heavier than the alloys but perhaps that's just something I'll have to factor in. Still need to continue my research on suspension. Sounds like parabolics are the bees knees but don't offer a massive gain in performance over tuning a spring pack either myself or professionally using leaves from other models. If a spring breaks in Bolivia, is it going to be easier to replace or at least get going again having an intimate knowledge of how my springs are put together and what's required to fix it? I assume any replacement for the parabolics will have to come from ATW? Still lost on shocks. Seems to be a lot of options out there! Adjustable sounds good to me. Apart from that, need more reading... :geek:

Engines
Call me a fuddy duddy but I prefer the idea of not messing about with the engine too much and performing such a change as adding a turbo to the 4.2L. I've seen that plenty of people on just this forum alone have done exactly that with great success but if I can manage to find a 3.9L in good condition (not to mention with it's more standard 12V) I think I'll go for that. A tidy and well priced FG84 would tempt me as well.

Charging capacity
As much as possible... I'll be covering the roof with solar and adding the largest MPPT that I can afford to handle it. But this will actually be secondary to making sure the alternator is up to the task of thumping in as much as possible. Our travel style usually means that we don't stay in one place for more than one night. We drive a lot! I would like as much as is reasonable to run off the batteries that I will have spent considerable time and finances beefing up. I know 800Ah of LiFePo4 seems a little excessive but with that capacity they should have a fairly easy life even when running a few thousand watts of induction. The stated life of 2000 cycles should be achievable this way.

Cooking
This brings me to cooking. WhereisFranklin hit the nail on the head as I was thinking to do exactly the same thing. Two portable induction cookers (probably still set into the kitchen bench) and a third for a spare/cooking outside. Lunchbox butane cooker as backup. Charcoal BBQ. Despite hopefully having a thermally efficient roof, I will likely add some sort of extractor fan in the roof over said cooktops.

Heating
This isn't an option and will be going into the build from the beginning. Many decisions still to make here. Again, I never would have even looked at using 240V AC to do this but you've pointed me in the direction of a few threads that I've now seen that describe this in detail. Love a bit more research... The electric heated towel rail sounds like an extremely logical solution if I don't go down the hydronic route too.

Travel Style
I 100% understand those that say they spend most of their time outside, but we are looking to eventually be travelling full time in this rig so I will be unashamedly building in the creature comforts! We enjoy the feeling of being cosy and comfortable inside our vans in the inclimate weather and don't find much joy in the feeling of constantly 'rouging' it. Hence the want for a 4.5T Canter and not a readybuilt troopy. Very soft, I know... Having said that, everything is a compromise and things like air-con will happily be left at the wayside for the sake of things like not having to have an inspection every year.

Sub frame
I'd say I'll be going the spring mounted route as there is more than enough information out there to make informed decisions about its design and to me it just makes sense.

Toilet
The composting toilet is a new concept to me and will require a bit more investigation. Your positive comments are the sort that will make me tempted to go that route. We currently use a chemical toilet which is by far the most practical for European travel and I just assumed I'd do something similar in the Canter but perhaps with the SOG system to cut out our need for chemicals. I won't ask for any more info on the composting toilet here until I've read what you've all already written! As you said steve66, mounting it on slides in the shower is the way to go. My shower/toilet will be the entranceway to the camper. Has someone on here done a nice hard walled shower in a soft walled pop top camper?

Panels and thermal efficiency

I feel as though I'd bear the cost of some slightly thicker wall panels as I will feel better about the finished build, knowing that it is wonderfully efficient. I think I will be in the same boat LeishaShannon, without LPG and all systems (that I can fit) all mounted inside the box for protection against freezing, the waste heat of these appliances may be quite high. This is one of the reasons I'd like to go down the canvas pop top route. Not only because I need to for containerisation, but so in the warmer months it can all be completely opened up to let as much of this heat out quickly and efficiently. I'll be aiming to do the EC style multi layered canvas to try and keep in as much of that heat in the winter. We will be able to sleep with the top down too. I haven't even made contact with any of the companies at this extremely early stage of planning and I will likely take a tour around their facilities/pay a general visit to see what each has to say. I'm just happy with the fact that I've found 3 companies so far in SE QLD! Spoilt for choice! Really looking forward to getting into the proper research on that part of it and seeing what I can find that will optimise my build.

Design
Everything will be fully 3D modelled with CAD/CAM software so that not only can I see if everything is going to fit and have plans ready to send out to suppliers, but I'll also be able to program the machining of any custom components right from the same software. I also plan to build something similar to this CNC router for accurately cutting out my interior panels - https://www.maslowcnc.com/ - a nice little side project...

Fridge
Once again I didn't think I'd be looking down the route of 240V and with a very low profile pop-top I may still not be able to. As far as I'm aware, bar fridges are famously inefficient and surely an upright 90L Engel (which would be more than enough for our initial needs as a couple) would consume less power than that. If you have a small fridge in mind that will outperform it please let me know! Obviously with the lack of gas I won't be going for a 3 way fridge. The 90L 3 way Dometic in our current motorhome really struggles in the high temperatures.

Insurance
Thanks for the tip WhereisFranklin, that seems pretty reasonable. Traveling through the Americas is going to be a different ballgame though. Yet more research! Just glad its not a several 100k dollar build that I'll be trying to insure...

I've given myself a time limit of 12 months full time to finish the build - otherwise, knowing myself, I will drag it out for years. Also, does anyone have a pdf of the body builder manual for the FG649? Most of the links I've found seem to be dead and from what I can see it's dropped off the official website.

Quite a long post I know, about ideas that are in their infancy. My main goal over the next 12 months before we return to Australia is to have some of these concepts nailed down and hopefully have a truck on the driveway or at least one ready to view. I won't be doing much detailed and dimensioned design work until I have the actual base vehicle as this could vary up until the end. But to keep to the year I've given myself to build it, all this thinking needs to happen now I think.

Hopefully I've replied to what most of you have taken the time and care to write out for me. Nothing is set in stone and I enjoy my views being challenged. It's much appreciated (y)
 
+11 on composting toilet. :)
Have now had a bit of a read up on the composting toilets but am having trouble getting my head around the advantages of using the composting toilet over using a cassette toilet with a SOG system installed. It should be noted that at the moment we rarely use the camper toilet for solids so you end up in the same situation as you are with the composting toilet and where to dump the liquids, only you'll have to do it more often with the composting toilet as the tank is smaller. I don't doubt that when comparing both systems for both liquids and solids the composting version would win hands down due to its separation and drying out of the solids instead of creating 'sewage'. When there's been emergencies we've been happy with the performance of the cassette in breaking everything down. As for the emptying that gives cassettes bad press, we don't mind that at all. Public toilets are convenient enough for dumping, and with a SOG installed it can go in septic tanks and long drops too.

Please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
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Ozrockrat

Expedition Leader
Add me to the composting toilet fan club. We have tried all types (cassette, porta-potti, black water and now Nature’s Head). I will never willing go back to the liquid based systems. We have a spare “P” tank but have not used it yet. Tipping out the “P” tank every couple of days is not a problem.

Biggest benefit is that the missus like this system best of them all as well. Apparently it’s the most comfortable we have had. Didn’t notice myself.

Like you guys in the past we rarely ever did number 2’s in our trucks. Now we don’t follow that doctrine preferring our own facilities over gas stations or camping area facilities.

Really the only downside is for men having to sit to pee especially the cold seat in winter. Not used to that.

Also what part of central QLD. We lived in Emerald for 13 years.
 
I guess another way of looking at it is that it's just as good as a SOG system for liquids, but it can also handle solids in a much better fashion. As you say we don't use it that way at the moment, but perhaps given the opportunity to do so, we would. In any case, the toilet will be a portable unit on slides, much the same as the composting version is, so I don't need to decide until the very end of the build, or swap it for the opposing camp if I feel I've made the wrong choice :)
 

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