About to take the plunge - 2001 Range Rover

[JSQ]

******? Care to explain this comment?

Sure.
The input is misleading and ill-informed. It has no value. Like trash.
The origin is European. Hence "eurotrash input". It's a play on words. A pun. A tongue-in-cheek reference.
What it's not, is complicated.

I'm confused. Are you saying a well maintained truck and documented service history are immaterial in assisting a prospective buyer in making a more informed purchasing decision?

Obviously any vehicle can have a failure at any time but I have to disagree if you believe failures are a totally random event and past service has no bearing on future performance.

That's precisely what I said.
In the case of the Piece38, the vehicle can be a rolling junker or immaculate. It matters not. Everything that fails on it can go at any time. New or used. These trucks didn't start having problems when they were ten years old. They were breaking on day one off the dealership lot. The parts are low quality and poorly designed.
Some people seem to think that the contents of a magic green and white box will give them a new lease on life. Most of the time it won't. People replace failed aged components all the time. When you buy the replacement part do you think it rolled off some magic elf assembly line last month? Well it didn't. It was made at the exact same time as the POS that broke on your truck. It's just been getting old somewhere else for the last 10 years.

We're not talking about Porsches here.
This is Piece38 talk. The normal feel-good rules don't apply. There are no warm fuzzies, just creeping suspicions and nagging doubts.

Well, I picked up the Range Rover today. :wings: Got it for what I think is a steal at $7200. 88K miles and excellent interior/exterior condition, no oil leaks, EAS works and full service records. Its silver, not Expo white and doesn't have the roof rack or brush bar, but looks great.

You paid about 3 grand too much, but best of luck.
Keep your guard up. The silver paint on the P38 ghosts away if it lives outside.
Discoweb is your friend.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

It was made at the exact same time as the POS that broke on your truck.

Talk about ill-informed.

 

[Stock Tyres]

Talk about ill-informed.

You are really missing the point.....

 

[R_Lefebvre]

I'm not arguing about whether or not the P38 is reliable, and I really don't care. But the statement that P38 replacement parts, or parts of ANY vehicle have been stored in a warehouse for 10 years since production stopped is completely false.

In most cases the Tier 1 supplier keeps the tooling and runs batches off as required to meet demand. Those parts may be improved over the old parts.

 

[SeaRubi]

We're not talking about Porsches here.
This is Piece38 talk. The normal feel-good rules don't apply. There are no warm fuzzies, just creeping suspicions and nagging doubts.

I didn't feel real good about replacing an $800 alternator twice on my 1986 911 Turbo.

Discoweb is your friend.

That is one, indeed. But there are others that offer a bit less attitude.

rangerrovers.net is an excellent resource if it wasn't mentioned already.

http://rangerovers.net/forum/

also, some of the australian forums are quite good, too, as they tend to abuse things more heavily than americans. check out

http://www.aulro.com/

and for the hardcore guys -
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/

 

[JSQ]

spikemd asked for advice on picking up a P38, but that clearly wasn't what he was really looking for.

When he got responses from people with plenty of experience, not only with the specific vehicle, but with strong fourwheeling backgrounds it was overwhelmingly negative.

But what he was really looking for was someone to cheerlead his upcoming purchase with plenty of congratulations, emoticons and welcome banners.
Lucky for him, there were people who didn't have serious contributions but wanted to be part of the party so they chimed in to fulfill spikemd's desires.

Homeboy can get whatever truck he wants. That's his prerogative.
But he can't play victim when he solicits advice and is contradicted. And he's not entitled exclusively to pats on the back and attaboys.
He's also welcome to ignore the input he gets at his peril, but take a good look at who he's ignoring and stack that against the people he's listening to.

 

[SteveMfr]

Sure.
The input is misleading and ill-informed. It has no value. Like trash.
The origin is European. Hence "eurotrash input". It's a play on words. A pun. A tongue-in-cheek reference.
What it's not, is complicated.

I wasn't asking you to state the obvious, I was simply looking for the substantiation that you said it exactly like you meant it. You'll have to excuse my naivety, Jack, but I had a hard time believing anyone could be - mmmm - so negative. I was sorta hoping you'd come back and say 'I'm somewhat inarticulate...' or 'My dog puked all over my shoes and I was in a bad mood' or whatever.

As I was caught off guard I was curious who I was dealing with and spent about 15 to 20 mins. checking other boards. A search under your UN and the results listed by post shows - at a glance - that you are quite articulate. And also working on a nearly 50% average for post of this tonality. VFI, Jack, very impressive.

My better judgment tells me to walk away from this, but just for the hell of it, for the benefit of spikemd and the others, and because you're on a bit of a roll, why don't you pick my original post apart like your 'eurotrash' comment above and explain exactly why I'm so ill-informed rather than tossing around generalizations?

 

[SteveMfr]

You are really missing the point.....

No it's not. Because Jack's statement is utter BS and makes the P38 sound even worse than it is.

EDIT: For clarity, I'm talking about the POS parts being built at the same time as the POS car statement

 

[BrettinSanAntonio]

When you buy the replacement part do you think it rolled off some magic elf assembly line last month? Well it didn't. It was made at the exact same time as the POS that broke on your truck. It's just been getting old somewhere else for the last 10 years.

Perhaps but more likely six months. As someone that buys a lot of parts for many different Land Rovers, I can assure you, there are numerous companies producing brand new parts, some even redesigned and updated, for Land Rovers of all ages. FYI, they're produced by gremlins, not elves.

BTW - I'm giving you an award for the best dressed bird hunter for 2009. The overly ornate shotgun I'm considering.....something.

 

[JSQ]

No it's not. Because Jack's statement is utter BS and makes the P38 sound even worse than it is.

EDIT: For clarity, I'm talking about the POS parts being built at the same time as the POS car statement

"making the P38 sound worse then it is." eh?

I'm calling a spade a spade and I'm hardly the only one.

Here's a fun little exercise:
Let's take a look at all the people along with me who are so unjustly tainting the good reputation of the Piece38.

Thom Mathie
Scott Brady
Mike Rupp
Mike Slade
Jack Quinlan

Clearly those guys are full of ********.

Now I have no clue if SeaRubi, WoldD90, BrettinSanAntonio, SteveMfr or R_Lefebvre know the first thing about Piece38s or any other Land Rover, but I'm going to listen to them because they make me feel good about myself.

 

[SteveMfr]

"making the P38 sound worse then it is." eh?

the good reputation of the Piece38.

Your words, not mine. I never even alluded to anything of the sort. 'Worse than it is'. Don't misquote me, Jack. And I don't see a 'good' there - or in the 'eurotrash'. Go back and read. Dissect, like you so ably did your own eloquent comment.
BTW, Jack, been meaning to ask. Your play, your pun. Is 'eurosomethingorother' a SoCal colloquialism? Cause I don't get it. Why is the 'euro' worth mentioning? Or do you look upon Europeans with the same disdain that you do 90% of the board members you post with?

Thom Mathie
Scott Brady
Mike Rupp
Mike Slade
Jack Quinlan

Clearly those guys are full of ********.

Now I have no clue if SeaRubi, WoldD90, BrettinSanAntonio, SteveMfr or R_Lefebvre know the first thing about Piece38s or any other Land Rover, but I'm going to listen to them because they make me feel good about myself.

Flip the names, Jack, and what do you have? WhoTF are Thom, Scott, and the 2 Mikes? RR experts?
Aside from all this you aren't getting the point. You are entitled to
your opinion and, as far as I'm concerned, more than welcome to present it. And I'd be happy to engage in discussion with you. Just not in the condescending fashion you so enjoy. You'd have all sorts of people listening to you if you presented logical, factual arguments in a respectful fashion.
You're not here for spikemd - you could give a flying ******* about spike, his RR, or P38's in general. Your here to spread malice, buddy. That's what makes Jack feel good about himself.

I am going to cut out of this sad discussion unless it becomes more substantial. Go ahead, tell me why I'm ill informed Jack.

Oh and BTW, thanks for the 'You heard me'. I actually hadn't had that directed at me like that since high school. Gave me a real good laugh.

 

[timmy!!!!!!!]

Just on a side note all of those names I would trust with rover advice before some guy from france.

 

[Dendy Jarrett]

I really think it comes down to the specific truck.

I have owned one P38 and once she was sold, really missed her.

I have a good friend who is a member here and also works for a LR dealership. His wife drives a P38 and it is a stellar truck that has been "over" maintained. I am first in line should he ever decide to part with it.

If you can find one that has been very well maintained, the air bags have been maintained *if even replaced*, then I think you will be ok.

I have had good Classics and I have had nightmare Classics, ... so again, I think it comes back to the truck.

Dendy

 

[BrettinSanAntonio]

but i'm going to listen to them because they make me feel good about myself.

The feeling is mutual. At least we're both getting something out of this thread.

 

[lstrvr]

Blows my mind that a guy can't point out an obviously bad weld on one thread without being moderated, but this stuff carries on unchecked?

"Eurotrash"? "some guy in France"?

Develop a common sense baseline, and moderate to it.