About to take the plunge - 2001 Range Rover

[muskyman]

Musky's avatar on dweb seems very befitting.


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think of it like me beating common sense into people's heads

or maybe read my posts over there and decide if I share content worth reading...Yes I have never worked at a land rover dealer but I wrench on these things all the time and have been turning wrenches constantly for over 30 years.

 

[Mike_rupp]

So before you were 30, you had your own shop. What, did Daddy buy it for you? How did that work out? What with all the trucks, Porsche, fancy guns, etc, I figured you were a lawyer or doctor.

Now it's all more clear.

Rob, while I have no knowledge of Jack's financial situation, does it occur to you that there are people out there with good educations and good careers that can make more money than you do? I have classmates that by the time they were 30 were millionaires without being trust fund kids.

 

[Roverhound]

Rob, while I have no knowledge of Jack's financial situation, does it occur to you that there are people out there with good educations and good careers that can make more money than you do? I have classmates that by the time they were 30 were millionaires without being trust fund kids.

Yes, but were they "engineers"?

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Rob, while I have no knowledge of Jack's financial situation, does it occur to you that there are people out there with good educations and good careers that can make more money than you do? I have classmates that by the time they were 30 were millionaires without being trust fund kids.

So do I, but none of them made pitstops owning auto repair shops along the way. I'm also just projecting based on personality traits.

 

[spikemd]

The truth must be told. The only thing the moderators will delete is when someone reaches their limit of articulating the truth in a civil way.

The reality is what it is. The P38 is the least appropriate of the RRs for what we do. That does not mean a person should not buy one. I know Discoveries have issues, but I could just not stay away. I love my Disco, and maintain it aggressively, resulting in only one failure in the 2.5 years I have owned it.

The main reason I felt obligated to say something in this thread, is that spikemd has been driving Toyotas, and is now looking at a very maintenance intensive model. It is important that he makes the decision eyes wide open. . .

well, the way this thread has spiraled downward, I think the whole thread should be deleted...

Scott, I understand the P38 might not be the best platform to build a rugged, reliable expedition rig, but like you and your Disco, I couldn't stay away. I really like my P38. One day I may regret saying this, but right now, its a sweet truck. I understand that ownership is much more of a commitment than my Toyota, but maybe that is part of the allure/curse of owning a Land Rover.

I also love my 4Runner though and I feel comfortable knowing that my wife and kids are safe driving it around town. It is rock-solid and dependable and I wouldn't hesitate taking it on another 2500 mile trek across the SouthWest (pics coming). Its a great platform.

To all that have posted - Thanks for all of the constructive and not-so-enlightening, emotional and crazy banter in this drawn-out thread. There are obviously people very divided on the subject of P38 ownership.

I made my purchase...

We can all stop posting to this thread now...

 

[JSQ]

well, the way this thread has spiraled downward, I think the whole thread should be deleted...

Oh no.
The thread should stay.

And you should update it with the adventures and developments of your P38.

 

[Dendy Jarrett]

Look, can't we all get along! In the spirit of adventure and out of respect for the fact that just like we all have an *****, we all have an opinion as well.

I very rarely visit Dweb for this reason. There is just no call for treating fellow human beings with so much "honest" (if you want to call it that) disrespect.

I try to follow and live by an Andy Griffith "Golden Rule" philosophy, and always try to remember what Thumper told Bambi ... "if you can't say something nice, ... don't say nothing at all!"

Act like Somebody.

Thanks
Dendy

 

[Mike_rupp]

Spike, the fact that you bought the p38, in light of all of the negative comments about it, shows that you bought this truck for emotional reasons. This is a good sign. You need to have a strong emotional attachment to these trucks to make it through.

Enjoy the truck and come back with questions along the way. Guys like JSQ and Thom will be invaluable as questions or problems pop up.

 

[stioc]

Goodness, I had to check the URL again to make sure I wasn't back on pirate4x4 on accident - I stopped going there because of the same signal-to-noise ratio problems.

SteveMfr, I hope you stick around. Even if I don't agree with everything you say I appreciate the input - it's all about how you say it.

 

[GregH]

Please keep posting. This thread is one of the few oases of entertainment in a vast desert of misinformation and questionable opinions.

 

[Stock Tyres]

Please keep posting. This thread is one of the few oases of entertainment in a vast desert of misinformation and questionable opinions.

Oh I agree, this was likely THE best thread the Land Rover section has ever experienced.

 

[JSQ]

One thing is patently obvious in this thread despite the attempts of the pathetic rookies to validate their untenable positions with meaningless emotion. SteveMfr is full of ******** and isn't about to stop spouting misinformation.

Like all of these wannabe losers he'll say he's checking out, leaving this thread, has better things to do, etc. but keeps coming back to pollute the discussion. He's so full of contradictions he can't even make up his mind to stay or go. He says he's "outta here", but like all the other lameasses, he'll be back to embarrass himself again.

I'm not sure even SteveMfr knows who he is. He seems to be having some sort of identity crisis. On the one hand he wants to be down with the American Land Rover scene and on the other he wants to be uptown European. He has all the telltale trappings of some expat loser. He uses terms like "across the pond". It's about as lame as all the Land Rover enthusiasts in the U.S. who insist on slapping Union Jack stickers on their "Landy" because they "bleed green".

He also tries to play Land Rover Professor giving model histories to people who already know them, but along the way, like all pretenders, he gets the facts backwards. He makes incomprehensible bullsh*t statements like "the electronics in the P38 are surprisingly robust" or "Mechanically the P38 is no more complex than any other LR" and expects no one to notice because he's just written four paragraphs about the origins of the Pegasus project. It's a joke.

SteveMfr also likes to put his Mr. Expedition pith helmet on and pretend like he's some sort of long distance extreme team fourwheeler. The thought that anybody putting on real miles in remote places would be running vato hydraulics where he can "Hit the switches, holmes!" on side slopes and be camping in the 500lb honeymoon suite on his roof is ************** laughable. He was eager to tell us all about his relative's accomplishments but still hasn't offered up any legitimate examples of his own experience. Likely his "overlanding" consists of a drive out to Provence and the French equivalent of a KOA campground.
He won't take the Pepsi Challenge because he "doesn't know (me)" so it's "silly". That's funny because he's been eager to prove what a good job he's done of researching exactly who I am. He's been very busy web stalking me and I'm guessing that somewhere along the line he figured out that I can walk the walk. He knows damn well that he hasn't got the experience I have so he's going to conveniently eschew the comparison as impractical. I'm also guessing that although he previously dismissed Thom Mathie, Scott Brady, Mike Rupp and Mike Slade he's since done background checks on them and realized they're the real deal as well.

Sensitive souls like SteveMfr are quick to accuse people like me of "malice" or cry that we're too "negative". You see they're far more worried about their hurt feelings when they're exposed as poseurs than the consequences of telling someone to buy the wrong car and then encouraging them to trust that vehicle to get them in and out of the wilderness. One has to wonder if SteveMfr will post as fervently when spikemd is looking for help with the angry BeCM that stranded him or the EAS which left him to drive home on the bumpstops? Will he match the effort he's put into trying to challenge my credentials when I called a spade a spade and insulted his honor?

 

[jdholder]

This certainly is fun - I would hate to find out what people think of my RRIII choice for an offroad vehicle.

 

[adrenaline503]

Congrats on the new truck. My step dad drove one for a while and it was a nice ride while it lasted. Traded it for a Volvo wagon for his business. After reading this thread, thank God I drive a pedestrian Nissan.

 

[JSQ]

This certainly is fun - I would hate to find out what people think of my RRIII choice for an offroad vehicle.

I don't think there's any doubt that the MkIII, while not yet proven to have the longevity for a lifetime of fourwheel travels, is certainly the superior choice to the P38.

In so many ways the MkIII is simply the P38 concept executed properly. In a side by side comparison of features the MkIII offers little that the P38 can't boast.
But on the MKIII the ******** actually works.

Keep in mind that while the G4 is not the Camel Trophy, the MkIII at least wore Tangiers Orange and logged a few miles. The P38 did neither. That certainly adds a little magic.