Anybody else want a small USEABLE 4X4?

shade

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Chevrolet Colorado and its GMC twin, and Toyota. Pretty sure Nissan's never changing little pickup...….
The last model year for the regular cab Tacoma was 2015.

No regular cab Colorado or Canyon today.

No regular cab Frontier.
 

Kmrtnsn

Explorer
Safety compliance killed the small cab "imports". The Jeep body and chassis is modern reg compliant. Toyota still has trouble passing, its the reason their seats are so low.
If that was the case, why did manufacturers already abandon that type of vehicle?
 

shade

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And I'd blame that on crash safety compliance.
I'm not sure why, but that's irrelevant to the fact that Toyota could easily produce a regular cab Tacoma that would - but they don't because they didn't sell enough regular cabs. They dropped the RC at the model change for 2016 because they wanted to, not because they had to drop it.
 
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The fact that you purchased an entire pallet of bagged mulch instead of getting a truckload from a supplier only reinforces my point, but that was a solid attempt at a comeback! At least you put something in that tiny little bed other than groceries!

I have never bought mulch from a supplier. Why on earth would I want to pay more for a product that's harder to unload? It's cheaper and takes far less time to lay down when it's in the bags. If you want to pay more for a product and then have to do more work to unload and spread it... that's totally on you, I prefer to work smarter not harder.

Would it make you happy if I got an 8 foot bed and had to contend with a dismal turning radius and the inability to fit in my garage? I mean, I am surprised that my measly 5.5' bed truck can take the abuse of towing a boat or camper....G-d forbid I hitch up a dump trailer... Or use it as a family vehicle.

How about this...I bought a truck that fits my needs and payed zero attention to the chest pounding peanut gallery and what they think. Had I followed the advice on this site I'd have an absolutely worthless F350, crew cab, 4x4, with the 8 foot bed and 6.7 Power Stroke, with a 4" lift and 37" tires.... Just incase I had the need to tow a random 20,000 pound trailer that I'll never encounter... Or haul the slide in camper that I will never buy.
 
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I'm curious why a quadcab is safer than a regular cab. I'm thinking it is more they are a hard sell.

A crew cab has far more room for crumple zones, more pillars supporting the roof, and more room for air bags.
 

shade

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It's not about emissions or crash tests. The sales numbers tell it all. If they sold well, they'd still be available. Simple as that.

I recall all of the moaning about the 2015 regular cab Tacoma being the Last of the RCs. The sales numbers were dismal, no matter how loudly love for the form was professed. The love of manual transmissions follows a similar path.
 
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It's not about emissions or crash tests. The sales numbers tell it all. If they sold well, they'd still be available. Simple as that.

I recall all of the moaning about the 2015 regular cab Tacoma being the Last of the RCs. The sales numbers were dismal, no matter how loudly love for the form was professed. The love of manual transmissions follows a similar path.

I bought my last single cab truck in 1999. Ever since then I have needed more interior space.
 

6gun

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It's not about emissions or crash tests. The sales numbers tell it all. If they sold well, they'd still be available. Simple as that.

I recall all of the moaning about the 2015 regular cab Tacoma being the Last of the RCs. The sales numbers were dismal, no matter how loudly love for the form was professed. The love of manual transmissions follows a similar path.
Truth is, a lot of people love those things but the people who love single cab manual trucks tend to be the kind of people who don't buy new trucks and/or don't buy them very often. Thus the low sales numbers.

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docwatson

Adventurer
For every internet commenter that wants a mini truck there are 10000 consumers who want the most car their money can buy. Which is why @Jnich77 made a mistake not buying a vehicle that fits his lifestyle.

Should have bought something bigger, just in case.

Confession: I hate full-size pickups,for no very good reason, but they are so so practical. I have the same relationship with minivans.
 
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For every internet commenter that wants a mini truck there are 10000 consumers who want the most car their money can buy. Which is why @Jnich77 made a mistake not buying a vehicle that fits his lifestyle.

Should have bought something bigger, just in case.


Totally regretted only buying a F150 today...I had to haul four bags of fertilizer and filter for my refrigerator.... Definitely could have used more truck!!!! What if I suddenly had to save the world by hauling a gooseneck trailer!!!!!!!!!!
 

AbleGuy

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For every internet commenter that wants a mini truck there are 10000 consumers who want the most car their money can buy. Which is why @Jnich77 made a mistake not buying a vehicle that fits his lifestyle.

Should have bought something bigger, just in case.

Confession: I hate full-size pickups,for no very good reason, but they are so so practical. I have the same relationship with minivans.

Cool, I’m one in 10,000 ?
My ego and self esteem have both just taken a big jump (scary, isn’t it?)
 

shade

Well-known member
I bought a brand new single cab truck 4 years ago. I had to drive halfway across the state to a mountain town and buy from the USFS pool despite having 5 major dealerships local to me because none of the dealers local to me had a 4wd single cab in stock. The FS pool only had one available because it got hailed on and the agency didn't want it with hail damage.

Cheap fix for me but the point is that every dealership I visited before this was desperately trying to sell me one of the quad cabs they had on the lot. I could have just shrugged and bought one, the deals were pretty good. Then people would incorrectly interpret that as me wanting a quad cab.

You can say "well nobody sells singles because nobody buys singles" but that's an incomplete, low-resolution interpretation. The reality is you can probably talk a single guy into buying four doors, you can't talk a family into buying two doors. If they had 2 doors in stock they would sell them - the demand exists - it's just that demand happens to also exist for quads and it's easier to just stock a sea of those and then nudge everyone into them.
So manufacturers stopped producing two door pickups because there was demand for them? Interesting point of view.

The pickup market has shifted dramatically over the last few decades, and the market reflects it. They used to be predominantly used for work, not family transport. A family probably doesn't want a two door pickup because they prefer the room of a larger cab. It's no more complicated than that.

The fact remains, two door pickups were available, and they didn't sell. Fleet sales of two door pickups weren't even enough to keep them in production. As I said, the market for manual transmission vehicles has followed a similar arc. Lots of noise about how great they are, and sales numbers that don't support the noise.
 

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