Buying & Building a Medium Ambulance into an RV – The FAM-BULANCE

rlrenz

Explorer
Can the AC condenser be installed above the cab roof and go through the front of the box?
Will be starting my buildout of my ambulance this week after it gets registered and inspected.

There are generally two locations for the condenser on a medium ambulance. They are often installed under the module, above the driveshaft, however, top mounted condensers are seen a bit more commonly in the south, and sometimes in the north. Ambulance air conditioning equipment is made by several companies, but Hoseline (www.hoseline.com) is probably the best known. If you look at their web site, their catalog will show what an under mount and a top mount condenser look like. A top mount is fastened to the front of the module on an angled bracket, and if you don't have a light bar on the module or on the top of the truck, they can fit fairly tight to the top of the truck's roof - I've never seen a module-mounted lightbar and a top mounted condenser. You could also build your own equipment - an HC134 compressor, an evaporator, and a top mounted condenser would do it. Tracking down the parts might take a while though-

I have several photos below that show what they look like.

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Pro-Air also makes an ambulance air conditioner - their commercial manual shows a lot of detail - it's located at: http://proair.monkeyhousemarketing.com/image/data/docs/commercial product manual.pdf
 
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rlrenz

Explorer
Today, I saw something that proves that there are many ways to build an RV. I'm tunneling into an ambulance to make what I want, but the photos below show that there is always a PLAN-B out there. Note the BBQ with tail lights - note the RV awning.

Me? I'm gonna stick with my ambulance.

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rlrenz

Explorer
Can the AC condenser be installed above the cab roof and go through the front of the box?
Will be starting my buildout of my ambulance this week after it gets registered and inspected.

It sounds like you probably have a medium ambulance (mounted on a "medium" truck chassis). What chassis (IH, Freightliner, Sterling, Kenworth)? What module (Medic-Master, Horton, Braun, ?)?

Regardless, ambulances are different beasts, especially compared to RVs. The good news is that they are all built to comply with the same federal standards, so there is always some commonality.
 

NEPolarbear

Observer
My ambulance already has the AC above the cab.
Was asking about the location of the AC in response to your post.
LOL
It's a Ford E450 Type lll.
Staring a thread on my buildout this week.
Will be a simple traveling office.
 

rlrenz

Explorer
My ambulance already has the AC above the cab.
Was asking about the location of the AC in response to your post.
LOL
It's a Ford E450 Type lll.
Staring a thread on my buildout this week.
Will be a simple traveling office.

When I bought my medium from Global Emergency Vehicles, their sales rep commented that about 10-15% of their refurbished ambulance sales are to non-ambulance companies. Other than the fairly common use as repair trucks, at least one of them is being used as a computer repair shop - they come to your office, and fix/upgrade your computers literally on-site.

Once anyone starts working with one, they quickly see that these things are built like brick phone booths. They can cost a bit more than a used RV, but you sure get more.

Welcome to the wonderful, wacky world of ambulances!
 

NEPolarbear

Observer
I also talked with GEV many times, but they were way above my budget.
Very helpful though.
Validated much of my research on the ambulances.

Hope to start a thread later this week.
 

rlrenz

Explorer
I also talked with GEV many times, but they were way above my budget.
Very helpful though.
Validated much of my research on the ambulances.

Hope to start a thread later this week.

I bought a refurbished ambulance - it came with new batteries, new alternator, new engine compressor, new suction pump, new Vanner inverter, and full fluids change. I also bought two new front tires at the same time. Everything worked perfectly when I picked it up.

I could have done the work myself, except how many tools can you pack in your suitcase? I had a PHL to MSP drive, and I wanted to stack the cards in my favor. Buying one as is / where is from a FD or a private owner didn't give me any warm fuzzies.

If you want a medium ambulance, the market is a lot tighter, but if a smaller ambulance is what you want, there are many to choose from.

Would I buy from GEV again? YES!
 

rlrenz

Explorer
GEV runs the ambulances through a 125 point inspection to verify that everything operates like it should - in fact, mine came with a 2014 NY ambulance inspection tag. They inspected things I'll never use, like the suction system (now given to a VFD near here), the oxygen gear (left with GEV), the cot hardware (left at GEV), and the IV bag warmer (same VFD).

It's kind of like buying a used car - from a dealer, or from a private party.
 

rlrenz

Explorer
How about a very, VERY nice ambulance? This creature is designed for 7 stretcher passengers, or up to 12 sitting passengers. Complete with a 12 kW diesel generator and a loading ramp, it can be your for only (choke!) $335,000. It's built by Thomas Coach, and is installed on a 2013 Freightliner chassis. It also has a fold-out canopy for whatever reason. Me? I already have an ambulance...

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rlrenz

Explorer
What happens when you drive an ambulance through the winter snow and slop, then park it in a nice, warm, cozy firehouse? Things corrode real fast! I was taking the beast out on Monday when the brake warning light came on - I needed to check the books to figure out what the international symbol meant, but the puddle of brake fluid was also a strong hint. I had blown a front steel brake line.

I knew the brake lines were showing corrosion - I had been replacing them as time and cash permitted, starting with the rear end, but the front lines were on the "tomorrow" list. The front lines have now moved to a higher position - it's now in the shop where they are trying to figure out a replacement for a discontinued Freightliner-unique brake line with a rubber hose in the middle of the line - it will probably wind up as several turns of tubing as a vibration absorber.

So, cheap advice: take a good look at your brake lines...

In other news:

My wife did not want me to buy a cot along with the ambulance. I had to agree with her thoughts (plus, even on e-bay, an ambulance cot costs more than I ever wanted to spend), so I never worried about a cot. Now that I am working to make it into an RV, the thought of a bed or a nap-place has arisen. An Army cot was my first thought for a place for an on-the-road snooze, but anyone who has worked with them would move an Army cot farther down the list - any bed that needs a 2x4 prybar to assemble or break down is perfect for a building full of 20-somethings, but not for us old retired gents. I got an e mail from REI (the camp folks) that they had a top of the line camp cot on sale - I looked at it, then ordered one. It can be strapped to the existing ambulance cot anchors (so we won't re-create the old Keystone Cops runaway ambulance cot scene...), and it folds up into about an 8" pancake, so it can readily fit into one of the interior compartments. I'll still have to figure out a mattress down the road, but now we have a guest room...

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I'm also building up the circuit breaker panel for the 120 volt system. Blue sea has an interlock bar that can be used on a panel so only one main breaker can be "on" at one time. The panel is available with two already-interlocked 30 amp, 2 pole, breakers. I decided to add a third breaker to the locked-out portion: a breaker for the Vanner inverter output. Ambulances usually have a Vanner 1050 watt sine inverter - I had thought about upgrading it to a 2000 watt inverter, but the cost of a sine 2000 watt inverter has moved this down on my list - for now, I'll work around the Vanner's 1050 watt output. The third breaker will be a 10 amp breaker. If someone tries to connect something that pulls more than the Vanner can supply, the breaker will trip. Someday, when I am oozing money, I'll install a larger inverter, and increase the fuse size accordingly, but this will work well as a short term solution. I'll show some photos when I get the project done.
 

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rlrenz

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Any thoughts on a Aero-bed air mattress with built in pump?

Exactly my thoughts. I don't want a conventional mattress - they take up way too much room for an ambulance. I'll build a base for it that will match the height of the squad seat, then a queen-sized mattress will fit over the squad seat and the base.

The folding cot from REI is a short term answer to someone wanting to snooze while we're on the road, or if just I head to someplace solo. It will fold flat enough that it can easily fit into one of the compartments. Plus, it does add a bed if someone really really needs one. There's possibly enough floor space in the ambulance that it would fit where the old attendant's seat was.
 

Abitibi

Explorer
Have you looked into Therma-Rest mattress? Very compact, almost self inflating, insulated and really comfortable. That'd be my first choice. A regular air mattress won't provide any insulation and aren't that comfy...
 

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