cruiser guy
Explorer
haven said:
It looks like Toyota will be missing the boat which is a shame since they have diesels already in other markets! I really like my Land Cruiser but I REFUSE to by a gasoline powered one.
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It looks like Toyota will be missing the boat which is a shame since they have diesels already in other markets! I really like my Land Cruiser but I REFUSE to by a gasoline powered one.
diesel in Japan
Autoweek had a short item today announcing that Nissan will offer a diesel powered version of the X-Trail SUV in Japan in 2008. Nissan is taking advantage of its ties to Renault to make diesel engines that meet the strict new emissions rules.
Today, a 2.2L turbodiesel is offered to most other markets where the X-Trail is sold, but its emissions are poor. It's not clear if the 2008 offering will be a completely new engine, or the old 2.2 with more effective emissions control.
The X-Trail is about the size of the Subaru Forester, with part-time 4x4 and no low range. The X-Trail is very popular in Australia.
Honda previously announced plans to offer diesel powered passenger vehicles in 2009.
In the Japanese home market, diesels were considered too noisy, smelly and crude for passenger car use. The combination of soaring gas prices and new emissions technology pioneered by European manufacturers is giving new life to diesels in Japan.
The renewed interest by Japanese manufacturers in small clean diesels increases the chance that we'll see a small diesel in a light truck. Now that "compact" trucks in USA are a big as standard trucks used to be, there is room for a new, smaller utility models.
Chip Haven
Autoweek had a short item today announcing that Nissan will offer a diesel powered version of the X-Trail SUV in Japan in 2008. Nissan is taking advantage of its ties to Renault to make diesel engines that meet the strict new emissions rules.
Today, a 2.2L turbodiesel is offered to most other markets where the X-Trail is sold, but its emissions are poor. It's not clear if the 2008 offering will be a completely new engine, or the old 2.2 with more effective emissions control.
The X-Trail is about the size of the Subaru Forester, with part-time 4x4 and no low range. The X-Trail is very popular in Australia.
Honda previously announced plans to offer diesel powered passenger vehicles in 2009.
In the Japanese home market, diesels were considered too noisy, smelly and crude for passenger car use. The combination of soaring gas prices and new emissions technology pioneered by European manufacturers is giving new life to diesels in Japan.
The renewed interest by Japanese manufacturers in small clean diesels increases the chance that we'll see a small diesel in a light truck. Now that "compact" trucks in USA are a big as standard trucks used to be, there is room for a new, smaller utility models.
Chip Haven
Pskhaat
2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
haven said:
Now that's something in which I'd be interested
I'm so mad at Toyota USA over the last few years I could just spit. A $200B company can find a way to bring an existing product (diesel) into the US, and they can figure out how to put a manual tranny alongside it too. I'm sick of being told what I want from them.
cruiser guy
Explorer
pskhaat said:
With this attitude from Toyota USA my next 'Cruiser will be bought elsewhere (Central America for instance where I can get a turbo-diesel '100 series)!! I know what I want, I know Toyota makes it and offers it elsewhere so why not offer it here?
Frankfurt Auto Show
At the 2007 Frankfurt Auto Show last week, the folks from Nissan showed a Maxima sedan with 3.0L V6 diesel. The engine is supposed to meet all Euro and USA emissions requirements, and will be sold starting in the 2010 model year.
It's not hard to imagine this V6 finding its way into the Pathfinder. Maybe Nissan will offer a V8 version of the engine for Nissan's full-size pickup and SUV.
Mercedes showed an interesting new "DiesOtto" engine that runs on gasoline, but has characteristics of a diesel engine. The engine starts with ignition from spark plugs. Once running, the fuel and air mixture is ignited by cylinder compression alone, like a diesel. If high RPM is required on the autobahn, the spark plugs are employed again. Mercedes calls this "controlled auto-ignition," or CAI.
The result is an engine with the torque of a diesel at low and medium RPM, and the HP and responsiveness of a gas engine at high RPM. The direct-injection, turbocharged CAI engine is supposed to produce 160 ft-lbs of torque per liter, so a 2.0L engine would have about 300 ft-lbs.
The DiesOtto engine would be great in a small utility vehicle. Unfortunately, Mercedes is thinking about using the engine in the big S-Class sedan first.
At the 2007 Frankfurt Auto Show last week, the folks from Nissan showed a Maxima sedan with 3.0L V6 diesel. The engine is supposed to meet all Euro and USA emissions requirements, and will be sold starting in the 2010 model year.
It's not hard to imagine this V6 finding its way into the Pathfinder. Maybe Nissan will offer a V8 version of the engine for Nissan's full-size pickup and SUV.
Mercedes showed an interesting new "DiesOtto" engine that runs on gasoline, but has characteristics of a diesel engine. The engine starts with ignition from spark plugs. Once running, the fuel and air mixture is ignited by cylinder compression alone, like a diesel. If high RPM is required on the autobahn, the spark plugs are employed again. Mercedes calls this "controlled auto-ignition," or CAI.
The result is an engine with the torque of a diesel at low and medium RPM, and the HP and responsiveness of a gas engine at high RPM. The direct-injection, turbocharged CAI engine is supposed to produce 160 ft-lbs of torque per liter, so a 2.0L engine would have about 300 ft-lbs.
The DiesOtto engine would be great in a small utility vehicle. Unfortunately, Mercedes is thinking about using the engine in the big S-Class sedan first.
98roamer
Explorer
My Toyota mechanic at the dealer mentioned that his boss asked all the guys last month, who wants to got to school in 2008 to learn diesels. I didn't really think much of it but then I read this.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/stories/MYSA091107.1E.toyota.2c4c171.html
It still seems like it will take awhile. There always seems to be a lot of talk.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/stories/MYSA091107.1E.toyota.2c4c171.html
It still seems like it will take awhile. There always seems to be a lot of talk.
Nullifier
Expedition Leader
Well I was dropping my wifes jetta of today for service and the parts guy said hey chck this out we will have thesefor next year witht he diesel. They will be size wise just like a ford escape which is a little small but it would be a good small diesel off. It is a simpler mini toureg. target preicing he said was low to mid 20's.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/tiguan
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/tiguan
more diesel from VW
About the time we see the Tiguan 2.0L diesel next Spring, VW dealers should have the same 2.0L BlueMotion diesel engine available in the Passat sedan and wagon. Passats are quite large, qualifying as full-size cars using the EPA measuring stick. I don't think EPA numbers are available yet, but VW is saying 40+ mpg will be possible.
A car we won't see in USA right away is the VW Polo. The Bluemotion-equipped Polo gets close to 60 mpg, better mileage than almost all hybrids. The Polo is about as big as a Golf was 10 years ago, so it's a practical car, not a fashion statement like the Smart.
About the time we see the Tiguan 2.0L diesel next Spring, VW dealers should have the same 2.0L BlueMotion diesel engine available in the Passat sedan and wagon. Passats are quite large, qualifying as full-size cars using the EPA measuring stick. I don't think EPA numbers are available yet, but VW is saying 40+ mpg will be possible.
A car we won't see in USA right away is the VW Polo. The Bluemotion-equipped Polo gets close to 60 mpg, better mileage than almost all hybrids. The Polo is about as big as a Golf was 10 years ago, so it's a practical car, not a fashion statement like the Smart.
Hilux_Max
Adventurer
Sorry to rub it in but I couldnt help myslef and I really feel sorry for you Yanks missing out on the benefits that diesel engines give.
Here in Australia diesels are king and have been for a while, but the new generation of common rail diesels is absolutely awesome.
Let me give ya some details to cry about -
My current model Toyota Hilux has the 1KD-FE engine.
This is a 3 litre common rail turbo-diesel engine with double overhead cams.
Puts out in stock form 126kw @ 3,600rpm and 343nM @ 1,400rpm.
Fuel economy for the dual cab in 5 speed manual is 8.5 litres per 100km and for the 4 speed auto is 9.5 litres per 100km. in standard form.
The same engine in the Prado is slightly more tweaked and puts out
127kw @ 3,400rpm and 410 nM at 1600rpm. In the 6 speed manual version the fuel economy is 9.2 litres per 100km.
The new landcruiser 70 series ute has the brand new 4.5 litre double overhead cam 4 valve V8 turbo diesel engine.
This puts out 151kW at 3,400rpm and 430 nM at 1200rpm.
Fuel economy is 11.5 litres per 100km combined average. These power figures are very underpowered as the engine has HUGE potential for massive torque to rival the F-Trucks with a few tweaks.
Word around toyota Australia (yeah I work there), is the new 200 series Landcruiser wagon that you guys might get too will have a twin turbo version of this engine (and they are both intercooled) that will put out somewhere in the region of 620-650nM of torque....and thats standard!
Now let me show you quickly the potential these motors have -
Taipan Performance Exhaust owner here in Australia has developed a performance upgrade that can be seen with the following online report -
http://autospeed.com.au/cms/A_108231/article.html
Now, I have spoken to him about some mods for my hilux diesel and since then he has done more mods - he has a full custom designed 3" exhaust system fitted, boosted the turbo another 2 pounds, fitted a DP Chip which adjusts the fuel delivery timing to produce more power without increasing fuel pressure in the already highly pressurised fuel lines and also fitted a LPG.Diesel system to the vehicle which injects a metered amount of Liquid Petroleum Gas that acts as an extra intercooler, lowering intake tempritures even more.....
The final result is I worked out about 550nM of torque at the engine. not sure at how many revs but thats awesome performance in any language and add to the the low revs that its delivered at and you'd tow and crawl over almost anything.
Here in Australia diesels are king and have been for a while, but the new generation of common rail diesels is absolutely awesome.
Let me give ya some details to cry about -
My current model Toyota Hilux has the 1KD-FE engine.
This is a 3 litre common rail turbo-diesel engine with double overhead cams.
Puts out in stock form 126kw @ 3,600rpm and 343nM @ 1,400rpm.
Fuel economy for the dual cab in 5 speed manual is 8.5 litres per 100km and for the 4 speed auto is 9.5 litres per 100km. in standard form.
The same engine in the Prado is slightly more tweaked and puts out
127kw @ 3,400rpm and 410 nM at 1600rpm. In the 6 speed manual version the fuel economy is 9.2 litres per 100km.
The new landcruiser 70 series ute has the brand new 4.5 litre double overhead cam 4 valve V8 turbo diesel engine.
This puts out 151kW at 3,400rpm and 430 nM at 1200rpm.
Fuel economy is 11.5 litres per 100km combined average. These power figures are very underpowered as the engine has HUGE potential for massive torque to rival the F-Trucks with a few tweaks.
Word around toyota Australia (yeah I work there), is the new 200 series Landcruiser wagon that you guys might get too will have a twin turbo version of this engine (and they are both intercooled) that will put out somewhere in the region of 620-650nM of torque....and thats standard!
Now let me show you quickly the potential these motors have -
Taipan Performance Exhaust owner here in Australia has developed a performance upgrade that can be seen with the following online report -
http://autospeed.com.au/cms/A_108231/article.html
Now, I have spoken to him about some mods for my hilux diesel and since then he has done more mods - he has a full custom designed 3" exhaust system fitted, boosted the turbo another 2 pounds, fitted a DP Chip which adjusts the fuel delivery timing to produce more power without increasing fuel pressure in the already highly pressurised fuel lines and also fitted a LPG.Diesel system to the vehicle which injects a metered amount of Liquid Petroleum Gas that acts as an extra intercooler, lowering intake tempritures even more.....
The final result is I worked out about 550nM of torque at the engine. not sure at how many revs but thats awesome performance in any language and add to the the low revs that its delivered at and you'd tow and crawl over almost anything.
Redline
Likes to Drive and Ride
Hilux Max:
Interesting link, I enjoyed it.
We can do pretty much the same easy high-performance modifications to our diesels here in the N. America too, it's just that our diesels are so few, mostly full-sized trucks. I add hop-up tweaks to diesel trucks often, but we are in need of smaller truck and car diesels...
I really think the future will be bright for Diesels in the USA but we have to wait a couple more years. Some of us are a little impatient about waiting
Interesting link, I enjoyed it.
We can do pretty much the same easy high-performance modifications to our diesels here in the N. America too, it's just that our diesels are so few, mostly full-sized trucks. I add hop-up tweaks to diesel trucks often, but we are in need of smaller truck and car diesels...
I really think the future will be bright for Diesels in the USA but we have to wait a couple more years. Some of us are a little impatient about waiting
cruiser guy
Explorer
Hilux_Max said:
I'll be real surprised if Toyota in North America gets a diesel in the 'Cruiser line again within the next few years.
cadillac diesel
Autoblog reports that GM has had a change of heart, and is now closely considering importing a V6 diesel for USA passenger car use.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12/11/we-may-yet-see-cadillacs-new-2-9l-v-6-diesel-in-the-us/
The engine is an all-new design produced by Italian firm VM Motori. It's a completely different engine than the 4 cylinder diesel VM Motori provides to Jeep. The V6 will find its way into several of GM's European products, including the 2008 Cadillac CTS. In July 2007, GM purchased a 50% interest in VM Motori.
The diesel produces 250 hp and 400 ft-lbs of torque from 2.9L, thanks to a variable geometry turbo. That power is comparable to the 3.0L diesel Mercedes offers in its USA passenger cars and SUVs. That's also more torque than produced by GM's current 5.3L or 6.0L gas V8s. Combined with a six or seven speed transmission, the 2.9L diesel could propel any passenger vehicle in GM's lineup, as well as the Express van or 1500 series pickup.
GM continues to develop a 4.5L diesel V8 for its 1500 series pickup and Tahoe SUV. That engine is expected to produce around 310 horsepower and 520 ft-lbs. of torque. The current 6.6L Duramax V8 diesel in GM's HD trucks is rated at 365 hp and 660 lb-ft of torque.
Chip Haven
Autoblog reports that GM has had a change of heart, and is now closely considering importing a V6 diesel for USA passenger car use.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12/11/we-may-yet-see-cadillacs-new-2-9l-v-6-diesel-in-the-us/
The engine is an all-new design produced by Italian firm VM Motori. It's a completely different engine than the 4 cylinder diesel VM Motori provides to Jeep. The V6 will find its way into several of GM's European products, including the 2008 Cadillac CTS. In July 2007, GM purchased a 50% interest in VM Motori.
The diesel produces 250 hp and 400 ft-lbs of torque from 2.9L, thanks to a variable geometry turbo. That power is comparable to the 3.0L diesel Mercedes offers in its USA passenger cars and SUVs. That's also more torque than produced by GM's current 5.3L or 6.0L gas V8s. Combined with a six or seven speed transmission, the 2.9L diesel could propel any passenger vehicle in GM's lineup, as well as the Express van or 1500 series pickup.
GM continues to develop a 4.5L diesel V8 for its 1500 series pickup and Tahoe SUV. That engine is expected to produce around 310 horsepower and 520 ft-lbs. of torque. The current 6.6L Duramax V8 diesel in GM's HD trucks is rated at 365 hp and 660 lb-ft of torque.
Chip Haven
I work in the automotive industry, and the "word on the street" is that Ford is bringing over the 4.4L Land Rover diesel in '09 for their light duty (F150, Expedition, etc) platforms. Supposedly there is some issue with International and some exclusivity promised made many decades ago, but it sounds like things are still going forward with LR.
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