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haven

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Diesel for Honda

Autoweek is reporting that Honda has plans to put a 4 cylinder turbodiesel into the Acura TSX. This is easy, since the new engine is designed to fit in the European version of the Accord, and the TSX is based on this model.

2010 should bring the introduction of a new V6 turbodiesel. Acura TL and MDX should receive this engine. Honda will install the V6 in a few of their models, perhaps in the new Pilot SUV.

None of this directly affects adventure trave vehicles, but shows how diesel will be a mainstream choice by 2010. Add to this acceptance the new fuel efficiency rules, and all auto makers will be happy to put a diesel in their best selling models.

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haven

Expedition Leader
Subaru diesel

Car and Driver is reporting that Subaru will introduce a 2.0L turbodiesel engine for its Legacy and Outback models in Europe later this year. The engine will be adapted to the Forester and Impreza the following year. No power and torque numbers were released.

Apparently the tight space in the engine compartment of the Subaru models makes it difficult to fit a larger, more powerful engine. Subaru doesn't want its models down on power compared to competing diesel offerings from Honda and Toyota, so it remains to be seen how long we have to wait to see a diesel Subaru in North America.

The 2009 Forester is a larger vehicle than the model on sale now, closer in size to 2008 Toyota RAV4. The new Forester has 8.8 inches of ground clearance plus Subaru's all wheel drive. A diesel engine would be an interesting addition to this model.

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theMec

Adventurer
I'd love to see the 4 cyl diesel boxer over here. The boxer is a beautifully engineered design. Decent power w/ pretty good mileage. I think the American public is starting to understand the power isn't everything. Nice that Subaru is, at least, introducing it in Europe.
 

KMR

Adventurer
It's great that they have comited to Eroupe, fingers crossed for the US!
Early press release numbers indicated 110kW, 350Nm for the 2.0.

:drool:
 

haven

Expedition Leader
subie diesel

Edmunds Inside Track blog has a report about driving the 2.0L turbodiesel in a European version of the Legacy sedan.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/d...Id=124553?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2.*

"The boxer diesel produces 148 horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 258 pound-feet of torque at just 1,800 rpm. The engine is capable of 60.5 mpg...In top gear, the diesel takes 23.4 seconds to accelerate from 50 to 100 mph, a veritable sprint compared with the 37.0 seconds it takes a Legacy with a normally aspirated 2.0-liter gasoline engine..."

Subaru has no plans to import this engine to USA because it doesn't meet California diesel emissions rules. But they are looking into what needs to be changed.

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calamaridog

Expedition Leader
The Other Green Engine: Diesel?

The Other Green Engine: Diesel?

European carmakers bet America is ready for a radical new vehicle.
By Joann Muller
Forbes.com

Looking for a fuel-efficient alternative to your current gas-guzzler? How about a car that gets 30% better fuel economy, doesn't require a giant battery in the trunk or have to be plugged into the wall, and can travel 600 miles between fill-ups?

Believe it or not, automakers may have a tough time selling those attributes to consumers later this year, when a new generation of diesel-powered vehicles arrives in dealerships. Images from the 1970s--of rattling engines and tailpipes spewing black soot--are hard to shake. And, thanks to superb marketing by Toyota maker of the Prius hybrid, Americans are convinced hybrids are the only green choice available, despite some discussion of diesel cars' potential.

Until now, that was largely true. Aside from heavy-duty pickups, only about 3% of U.S. light-duty vehicles are powered by diesel today. Tougher emissions rules bumped several diesels, like the Jeep Liberty, off the road in recent years. And in some states, like California and New York, diesels aren't sold at all because the state emissions laws are even tougher. (One exception: Mercedes E320 Bluetec--a special version was recently made available in California.)

But a new generation of modern diesels is on its way to all 50 states, led by carmakers based in Europe, where half of all consumers prefer diesels.

By late summer, the first of those modern diesels will arrive: the Volkswagen Jetta TDI. VW says it will get over 50 miles per gallon on the highway (40 mpg around town), and can go over 600 miles between fill-ups. Prices will start in the low $20,000s, about $2,000 more than a traditional Jetta.

Later this year, Mercedes, BMW and Audi will bring their own so-called "clean" diesels to the United States. By 2010, availability of diesel-powered cars is expected to jump sharply as other automakers, including Acura and Jeep, begin offering them, too. By 2017, J.D. Power & Associates forecasts 14% of cars sold in the U.S. will have diesel engines. Germany's Robert Bosch, a major supplier of critical diesel components, forecasts diesel penetration in light-duty pickups and SUVs will reach 20% by 2015.

"I'm pretty optimistic this might be just the beginning," says Daimler AG Chief Executive Dieter Zetsche. Daimler's Mercedes division sold 12,500 diesels in the U.S. last year, even without California or New York, its two largest markets. This fall, it will begin selling three SUV models with advanced diesel engines: the ML320 Bluetec, R320 Bluetec and GL320 Bluetec.

Diesel versions of BMW's 3-series sedan and X5 sport utility will also go on sale this fall. Says BMW Chief Executive Norbert Reithofer: "We realized that with the additional weight of a hybrid battery, the miles per gallon is not as good as we thought. We think the better solution at the moment is diesel."

But Reithofer admits BMW made a mistake by not pushing diesels years earlier, when hybrids started grabbing attention. Now, he and Zetsche agree: It will take the combined marketing efforts of all the European carmakers to turn Americans' heads. "We need an action together to sell diesels in the U.S.," says Reithofer.

One likely selling point: performance. Consumers want peppy performance, and thus, tend to buy bigger engines with more horsepower. But the rush you feel when you push the accelerator is thanks to the engine's torque, not its horsepower. A V-6 diesel can deliver as much torque as a larger V-8, with much better fuel economy.

There's another advantage to diesels: Their resale value is two to three times that of a traditional gasoline-powered car. VW spokesman Keith Price, for example, says a 1998 Jetta TDI (diesel) with 175,000 miles is worth $7,500 today. The same car, with a 2.0-liter, four-cylinder gasoline engine "is a $2,000 'beater' you'd buy for your teenager."
 

haven

Expedition Leader
Mercedes Benze GLK and its competitors

Mercedes is planning to release a smaller SUV vehicle in late 2009 as a 2010 model. The new vehicle will be called the GLK. It's a 5 passenger cute-ute, about the size of the Subaru Forester, VW Tiguan and BMW X3.

Here's a show car version of the car, called the Vision GLK.

glk-1.jpg


The show car has a number of exaggerated features that won't make it into the production model (those wheels, for example).

The GLK will ship with a very potent 2.2L turbodiesel engine under the hood. The engine currently produces 168 horsepower and 369 lb-ft torque. A 7-speed automatic transmission passes that power to a 4MATIC full time 4-wheel drive system.

In comparison, the 2.0L VW Tiguan turbo diesel is expected to produce 235 lb ft of torque. The Subaru 2.0L turbodiesel is rated at 258 lb-ft. Of course, these models will cost about half of the GLK's $40,000+ price.

BMW holds the performance crown today with the X3 3.0sd, a six cylinder twin turbo engine that generates 286hp and 428 ft-lb. This model is available in Europe only.

Mercedes is thinking about producing a 3.2L V6 diesel that could match that BMW powerplant. MBZ also has a 2.2L diesel-hybrid in the works that is estimated to produce 40 mpg in typical driving.

These new models from Mercedes, BMW, VW and Subaru have to be putting the pressure on Toyota. The Lexus GX470 is still a body-on-frame model, and has no diesel option. Its 4.7L gas V8 is optimistically rated at 17 mpg overall. Sure would be nice if Toyota would import its D-4D 2.0L turbodiesel!

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vengeful

Explorer
VW TDI Hybrid

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http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/01/geneva-08-preview-69-mpg-vw-golf-tdi-hybrid-leaks-out/

Auto Bild has decided to "help" Volkswagen introduce the VW Golf TDI Hybrid concept that the automaker will be unveiling in Geneva a few days from now. So, how does it look? Pretty impressive. The car mates a 75 PS (74 HP) 3-cylinder TDI (presumably the 1.4L used in the Polo BlueMotion), a 27 horsepower electric motor and a 7-speed DSG to average 69 mpg (3.4l/100km) in the European cycle with carbon dioxide emissions of just 90 g/km. The electric motor is powered by a trunk-mounted NiMH battery. Based on the Google Translation of the page, we glean that the Golf TDI Hybrid is a full hybrid capable of running on electric power, diesel power or a combination of the two. It also uses regenerative braking, a stop/start system, and one of those energy monitor videogame screens that gives you a graphical representation of the powertrain's activity. Visually, the car sports a new Vivid Blue finish and employs narrower grillework, a lowered suspension, and low-rolling-resistance rubber to help maximize aerodynamics and fuel economy. We'll bring you full details from the show next week.
 

haven

Expedition Leader
Mbz S300

Mercedes has announced plans to produce a hybrid model of the company's large "S" series sedan. North American delivery is expected in late 2009 as a 2010 model.

The S300 Bluetec Hybrid uses the same 2.2-liter, twin-turbocharged, four-cylinder diesel engine and electric motor setup planned for the GLK mentioned two posts back. Electric power will be stored in lithium ion battery packs, a first for large volume production vehicles. (The Tesla uses lithium ion batteries, too.)

The powertrain will produce 221 hp, 413 lb-ft of torque and a whopping 43.6 mpg.

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haven

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Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD

Autoweek spent two weeks driving the Grand Cherokee with 3.0L Bluetec Mercedes diesel. Here is their report:

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080304/FREE/585132957/1506/THISWEEKSISSUE

They liked the engine's performance (376 lb-ft of torque to move the Grand Cherokee's 4700 lb curb weight), the observed 19 mpg, and the relatively small $1600 premium you have to pay for the diesel engine.

Autoweek was less enthusiastic about the ergonomics of the Grand Cherokee, particularly for rear seat passengers.

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Metcalf

Expedition Leader
I had someone very reliable tell me to watch Easter Jeep Safari this year for an 'interesting' release from Jeep.
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
I'm a long time diesel enthusiast but I came to a similar conclusion when shopping for a new 4x4 to replace my '05 LJ Rubicon 14-months ago. I was confident the MB Diesel in the Grand Cherokee was going to be a great motor, but I was not excited about the rest of the car (unibody, looks, quality?, waiting for Summer delivery) and decided on a V8 4Runner. The 4Runner (my first Japanese car) was available immediately and I have not been disappointed. But if a diesel was in a different platform :)


haven said:
Autoweek spent two weeks driving the Grand Cherokee with 3.0L Bluetec Mercedes diesel. Here is their report:

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080304/FREE/585132957/1506/THISWEEKSISSUE

They liked the engine's performance (376 lb-ft of torque to move the Grand Cherokee's 4700 lb curb weight), the observed 19 mpg, and the relatively small $1600 premium you have to pay for the diesel engine.

Autoweek was less enthusiastic about the ergonomics of the Grand Cherokee, particularly for rear seat passengers.

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Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
I spoke to a friend today who shared third hand info reportedly from a good source that Jeep is 'planning' a Diesel Wrangler, they just need to work out the emissions (which of course is possible).

When/if that happens I might have a very nice 4Runner for sale (that I want to keep) or maybe I can convince my wife she ‘needs’ a new Diesel Jeep!


Metcalf said:
I had someone very reliable tell me to watch Easter Jeep Safari this year for an 'interesting' release from Jeep.
 

jingram

Adventurer
Dave Harrington who is the President of AEV mentioned over in the their forums to watch the easter safari about an exciting announcement from Jeep. This was posted in a thread about putting the 2.8 CRD into the LJ and working through the process.

I would LOVE to see a diesel in the JK. My Xterra would be out the door just as soon as I could get my hands on a JK Rubicon Unlimited with a diesel. However, I hope they do not make the mistake and price it so far above the 3.8 that most people balk at the price regardless of the better fuel economy and potential durability of the motor.

I really think the 3.0 MB CRD would have been a good choice, but everything points to a 4.2 Cummins now. Guess we just have to wait, see, and pray... lol
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
Agreed, the MB 3.0 is a great choice. But I love Cummins, and with Chrysler no longer being part of MB it might make more sense. Cummins has a great name and respect in the U.S.A.


jingram said:
Dave Harrington who is the President of AEV mentioned over in the their forums to watch the easter safari about an exciting announcement from Jeep. This was posted in a thread about putting the 2.8 CRD into the LJ and working through the process.

I would LOVE to see a diesel in the JK. My Xterra would be out the door just as soon as I could get my hands on a JK Rubicon Unlimited with a diesel. However, I hope they do not make the mistake and price it so far above the 3.8 that most people balk at the price regardless of the better fuel economy and potential durability of the motor.

I really think the 3.0 MB CRD would have been a good choice, but everything points to a 4.2 Cummins now. Guess we just have to wait, see, and pray... lol
 

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