Do you feel the need to have a weapon when camping

[tdesanto]

...Other guns like the bersa, a revolver, a glock, an XD-45, etc. are able to be fired in the holster accidentally.

Could you please elaborate on this for me please?

I happen to carry a Glock 27 in a holster and have always thought it was safe as long as it remains in a holster.

BTW, I completely agree that trying different guns out at a range is the best option. I would never have purchased a Bersa or the G27 if I hadn't shot them first...and the guns I did have my eye on turned out to not be a good fit for me.

 

[maXTERRA]

I really only dislike one of my handguns (ruger p944 .40).
My glocks, beretta, Taurus's, CZ, kimbers are all good, though the kimber ultra- carry is my favorite carry piece if concealable with weather conditions.
Out on the desert a lot, I use my safepacker holster from Dillon. At least hides what you're carrying if I can't carry concealed.

So in answer to the thread question, do I feel the need to carry ?
Yep! I carry a .45, only because kimber doesn't make a .46! ;-)

 

[BIGdaddy]

Could you please elaborate on this for me please?

I happen to carry a Glock 27 in a holster and have always thought it was safe as long as it remains in a holster.

Once in the holster yeah, its good to go. A holstered glock in a quality hoster is VERY safe... but when being placed into the holster your hand wraps the gun, deactivating most passive safeties like grip, trigger, etc.

When that happens "incorrect finger placement" while hostering will fire a DAO/DA-SA pistol or revolver. In the same way, I've heard of several instances of shirt tails or the bottom seam of a tshirt getting caught on the trigger and going into the hoster with the gun, thereby, causing a discharge.

A gun like a 1911 or CZ-75 in the cocked and locked condition has the least number of steps to fire, as well as being completely resistant to this type of negligence (finger placement/foreign object depressing trigger).

Does that make sense? Its more of a concept than an absolute. It also relies on the habit of "safety-ing" the gun, before reholstering.

Any mechanism can fail, and a worn out, clapped out 1911/CZ may very well allow the trigger to slip past the safety and fire, but by design is intended to prevent such a problem, while being able to be fired very quickly.

:costumed-smiley-007

 

[BIGdaddy]

Having just bought a pistol (Taurus PT145 pro) I like the safety that they incorporate into both the slide when not in use and the thumb safety while in use. I tested roughly 35 pistols before I bought. The Glock 21, taurus 24/7, XD, and Taurus PT145 where the only pistols that fit right. I did not care for the trigger pull or grip feel in the Rugers which was disappointing because I love Ruger and have several revolvers and rifles from them. The 24/7 was what I originally ordered but later found out the model I tested and the model I was gonna get were very different in trigger pull Thanks to california gun restrictions and an ignorant dealer. The Glock G21 was a great fit and almost came home with me. but I decided on a the 145pro because of the compact size,over all feel in handling, and it is the same build as the 24/7pro mechanically with a shorter barrel and smaller grip. great little gun over all.

I'm a big fan of the pt145, too. good gun with a tac rail for a compact light. Its the kind of gun that I think would be easy to pack around while camping and almost forget that its there...

 

[SunTzuNephew]

Other guns like the bersa, a revolver, a glock, an XD-45, etc. are able to be fired in the holster accidentally. They have passive safety's and de-cockers, but with the passive safetys, you are defeating most of them just by holding it...add your trigger near the finger and that's how accidents happen.

Huh? What revolver has a decocker, or a safety for that matter? And as long as a Glock is in a properly designed holster the trigger is protected and the weapon can't be fired. Pretty much the same with any handgun, btw. And simply holding a Glock doesn't defeat any of the intrinsic safety devices, putting your finger on the trigger does. Same with any firearm.

BTW, as far as S/DA autopistols with decockers, how many 'accidental' shootings of bad guys (and cops) have there been when trying to 'safe' the weapon by decocking? I know one large law enforcement department that had a problem with that with Beretta 92s.

 

[BIGdaddy]

Huh? What revolver has a decocker, or a safety for that matter? And as long as a Glock is in a properly designed holster the trigger is protected and the weapon can't be fired. Pretty much the same with any handgun, btw. And simply holding a Glock doesn't defeat any of the intrinsic safety devices, putting your finger on the trigger does. Same with any firearm.

BTW, as far as S/DA autopistols with decockers, how many 'accidental' shootings of bad guys (and cops) have there been when trying to 'safe' the weapon by decocking? I know one large law enforcement department that had a problem with that with Beretta 92s.

did I type that? don't think I did? If so, its not what I meant, sorry.

What I meant is that without a safety a DA revolver can be negligently fired in the same way as a pistol.

As I stated above, once the glock is IN the holster, you're fine...but most ND's(negligent discharges) happen during draw or reholstering. Its up to the shooter not to put his/her finger on the trigger.

Stress situations will rely on muscle memory, and IMO, when you're scared, your instinct is to have your finger on the trigger, ready to go.

Single action pistols attempt to remove the draw/re-holster discharge danger by training you to be "cocked and locked" when not on target.

oh, and for the record, the CZ p-01 has a decocker. I never used it. To clear it I would follow this process...

-drop the mag
-rack the slide
-reload cartridge into mag
-re-insert mag into pistol

takes like NO time. if you pocket that round, its even quicker.

Thats why I like a single action.

threat appears

-draw
-safety off
-fire
-safety on
-reholster

or

threat appears

-draw
-safety off
-threat retreats
-safety on
-reholster

Very simple

 

[SunTzuNephew]

The key to handgun safety is to keep your finger off the trigger, until you're ready to shoot.

Or, as they like to say in gun school "Keep your booger-hook off the bang-switch".

 

[BIGdaddy]

The key to handgun safety is to keep your finger off the trigger, until you're ready to shoot.

Or, as they like to say in gun school "Keep your booger-hook off the bang-switch".

:coffeedrink:

 

[91runner]

My mom has my dads taurus pt 99 and have never had any problems with it and they have had it since the early 90s. I love my xd 45 however its not legal in cali? The safeties in it ensures it will never be somewhere my 4 year old can get to though. I love my Kimber desert warrior but a full size 1911 can be a bit large to carry. Based on my experience with beretta in Iraq I would say they should be a good choice.

 

[john101477]

My mom has my dads taurus pt 99 and have never had any problems with it and they have had it since the early 90s. I love my xd 45 however its not legal in cali? The safeties in it ensures it will never be somewhere my 4 year old can get to though. I love my Kimber desert warrior but a full size 1911 can be a bit large to carry. Based on my experience with beretta in Iraq I would say they should be a good choice.

huh? XD45 not legal in cali? Might wanna re-check that. I do not believe the XD tactical (5 inch barrel) is available in cali but the XD45 is very popular.
I agree that a 1911 is a large cumbersome pistol. it is a very heavy pistol from any manufacturer. The worst ones are the stainless and even chrome bodies. Armscor the company that bought ALL of the colt manufacturing equipment but not the name, kimber bought the name, makes a very basic blued model that is a few ounces lighter than normal (not counting the titanium builders).
Many rugers have a de-cocking mechanism. personally I do not care for it. I keep expecting a boom when i use it lol.
Taurus while not the best known builder is really making a name with this latest list of pistols. unfortunately with the release of the 24/7 pro they did not submit it to california correct which brought the addition of the 24/7CA with a horrid trigger pull. While at Bass Pro I stopped and looked as usual. they had a 24/7 PRO-DS which is now also available in California. much better trigger pull over the CA edition but not as smooth as the original pro.

 

[Chas Stricker]

For me, I think it is a great idea to carry when out and about. I do make sure of the local/state laws dealing with firearms. I would rather deal with situations in a nice civil manner, however, if things go sideways my family comes first. It's a personal choice and shouldn't be made lightly. We do have the right, but, I would echo that responsibility and training are paramount. My wife and kids have been and are trained for safety and proficiency. Overall this has been a great discussion.
Chas

 

[john101477]

I'm a big fan of the pt145, too. good gun with a tac rail for a compact light. Its the kind of gun that I think would be easy to pack around while camping and almost forget that its there...

Good non-conceal holsters are hard to come by. I am not a fan of the fobus but rather like the black hawk serpa. trying to get one for a 24/7 and modify it to fit the PT145 since they are the same frame with a shorter barrel.

 

[SunTzuNephew]

Good non-conceal holsters are hard to come by. I am not a fan of the fobus but rather like the black hawk serpa. trying to get one for a 24/7 and modify it to fit the PT145 since they are the same frame with a shorter barrel.

The last 3 shooting schools we've been to have absolutely PROHIBITED Serpas....because of their design allowing AD's.

If you want to wear a tactical holster all day, get a Safariland 6004

 

[BIGdaddy]

The last 3 shooting schools we've been to have absolutely PROHIBITED Serpas....because of their design allowing AD's.

If you want to wear a tactical holster all day, get a Safariland 6004

good for them. safariland is an excellent brand. I really like their stuff. They've got some very comfy gunbelts/dutybelts, too, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[91runner]

huh? XD45 not legal in cali? Might wanna re-check that. I do not believe the XD tactical (5 inch barrel) is available in cali but the XD45 is very popular.
I agree that a 1911 is a large cumbersome pistol. it is a very heavy pistol from any manufacturer. The worst ones are the stainless and even chrome bodies. Armscor the company that bought ALL of the colt manufacturing equipment but not the name, kimber bought the name, makes a very basic blued model that is a few ounces lighter than normal (not counting the titanium builders).

well the first thing I noticed when I got my xd was the not legal in California sticker on the box haha. I have the five inch as I was told the four inch had jamming issues. I love mine and have not had issues with it. I love having 13 rounds of 45 goodness available.
I love the Kimber desert warrior, some might not like the color scheme.

Suntzu do you know what exactly has been causing the ad's? poor trigger awareness? Any faults on the serpa's locking mechanism? I have a serpa leg holster but have never had any issues/incidents. I am going to need a holster to carry my xd in though so I might have to try something different out.