DSLRS ARE A DYING BREED
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LR Max
Local Oaf
Maybe, but only when they've got all of the conveniences to change setting like the D3 and whatnot. Until then, I'll stick with a DSLR.
I ran into a similar thing with my Canon S95. Mighty fine camera but it was really a pain in the butt to change ISO/shutter/aperture on the fly. Looks like these kinda cameras suffer from the same.
Shooting a wedding, sports, off road, whatever. Being able to change on the fly without thinking is crucial. Also I'm not seeing anything about low light hand held situations. As you can imagine, being able to roll with f/2.8 at 200mm is pretty nice.
I ran into a similar thing with my Canon S95. Mighty fine camera but it was really a pain in the butt to change ISO/shutter/aperture on the fly. Looks like these kinda cameras suffer from the same.
Shooting a wedding, sports, off road, whatever. Being able to change on the fly without thinking is crucial. Also I'm not seeing anything about low light hand held situations. As you can imagine, being able to roll with f/2.8 at 200mm is pretty nice.
Photomike
White Turtle Adventures & Photography
Have heard a lot of this before (I remember the Canon 35mm with the split mirror that eliminated the mirror movement and noise) and it has some good things. But like so many of the "new" things until it is proven I will keep shooting with my DSLR's. A few months ago it was a camera that you didn't have to focus, before that wait for the new super MP cameras, etc.
Some cool ideas, cool toys but not a game changer yet.
Some cool ideas, cool toys but not a game changer yet.
http://www.stuckincustoms.com/
lol at that site. i should write article that HDR is a dying photographic style.. and so is overly done texture effects.
lol at that site. i should write article that HDR is a dying photographic style.. and so is overly done texture effects.
bajasurf
Explorer
He is lucky if he gets a few people viewing his photos weekly. Mostly his mom. Posted the link to his Bio. He gets into what he does on his Bio at " Briefly-A photography-Centric Bio"
http://www.stuckincustoms.com/trey-ratcliff
Lostmanifesto
Traveler
Photoshop is not photography. Nuff said.
bajasurf
Explorer
You have me confused. Are you saying that anyone using Photoshop is not a photographer? I venture to say that it is close to impossible to find a professional photographer that uses a dslr or any digital camera that does not use Photoshop.
Scott Brady
Founder
A few of his images are quite beautiful- the Taj in particular. In reality, he does very little photographically, as nearly all of the images are digital art with heavy modifications.
Given his site's page ranking, he gets more than just looks from his mom.
Regarding the death of the SLR, it is highly exaggerated. Once the real pros (the guys making day rates) stop using SLRs, then I will start to believe it. I do find myself shooting with the Sony NEX-5N more and more often, but simply out of convenience, like on small personal trips or work around the office. We still grab the big guns when it counts.
Given his site's page ranking, he gets more than just looks from his mom.
Regarding the death of the SLR, it is highly exaggerated. Once the real pros (the guys making day rates) stop using SLRs, then I will start to believe it. I do find myself shooting with the Sony NEX-5N more and more often, but simply out of convenience, like on small personal trips or work around the office. We still grab the big guns when it counts.
Reading the linked article, the author repeatedly says, "in the next 10 years." So it will be a while before we can decide if he is right or wrong. LCD screen technology is improving rapidly, both in resolution and speed of refresh, so it's becoming a viable alternative to mirrors, prisms and gears. I don't think you can buy a new DSLR without an LCD screen on the back today. Even medium format cameras include an LCD. I think it's only a matter of time before the LCD replaces the optical viewfinder.
The SLR shape, defined by the bulge of the pentaprism above the line of the lens, has been around since the 1950s. It will be interesting to see how the shape of cameras change when the mirror and erecting prism are removed from the equation. Sony seems to be leading the way with its NEX series, which reflects the design of the DSC-F717 from 10 years ago.
The SLR shape, defined by the bulge of the pentaprism above the line of the lens, has been around since the 1950s. It will be interesting to see how the shape of cameras change when the mirror and erecting prism are removed from the equation. Sony seems to be leading the way with its NEX series, which reflects the design of the DSC-F717 from 10 years ago.
ssssnake529
Explorer
I think he's right.
Leica has already fit a full frame sensor into a mirrorless camera. If they can do it (and their R&D budget has to be just a fraction of that of Canon or Nikon) then others will surely follow.
With current technology, there really isn't any reason to have a mirror in a camera. Anyone designing a new camera system that doesn't have to worry about backward compatibility of lenses (i.e. Olympus) is not going to need a mirror, or the increased distance from lens to focal plane that a DSLR requires. The mirror in a DSRL is an evolutionary leftover that really doesn't serve any purpose any more.
Once Canon or Nikon (or possibly Olympus, but unlikely given their financial problems) comes out with a pro quality full frame sensor mirrorless camera, I think that it will dominate the market. Pros are using big bulky DSRLs today because that's their only option. Give them a smaller lighter mirrorless option that still provides full frame sensor image quality, the the big bulky DSRL will fade away.
I came to this conclusion a couple of years ago. When it came time to finally replace my old film SLRs (a brace of Canon F1's that I'd been using since the 1980's) I decided to replace them with an Olympus PEN system. I have not regretted my decision in the least. If I ever do upgrade, it will be to a mirrorless full frame camera.
Leica has already fit a full frame sensor into a mirrorless camera. If they can do it (and their R&D budget has to be just a fraction of that of Canon or Nikon) then others will surely follow.
With current technology, there really isn't any reason to have a mirror in a camera. Anyone designing a new camera system that doesn't have to worry about backward compatibility of lenses (i.e. Olympus) is not going to need a mirror, or the increased distance from lens to focal plane that a DSLR requires. The mirror in a DSRL is an evolutionary leftover that really doesn't serve any purpose any more.
Once Canon or Nikon (or possibly Olympus, but unlikely given their financial problems) comes out with a pro quality full frame sensor mirrorless camera, I think that it will dominate the market. Pros are using big bulky DSRLs today because that's their only option. Give them a smaller lighter mirrorless option that still provides full frame sensor image quality, the the big bulky DSRL will fade away.
I came to this conclusion a couple of years ago. When it came time to finally replace my old film SLRs (a brace of Canon F1's that I'd been using since the 1980's) I decided to replace them with an Olympus PEN system. I have not regretted my decision in the least. If I ever do upgrade, it will be to a mirrorless full frame camera.
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Lost Canadian
Expedition Leader
I agree with Trey.
The OLED viewfinder on the NEX 7 is superb, only bested by the optical viewfinders in some full frame DSLR's, it's actually better than anything in the cropped arena. The NEX 7 also proves you can make a small camera with full manual not to mention customizable control. The only area somewhat lacking right now with mirrorless is low light AF performance, although hybrid AF systems like the one found on the Nikon 1 series could prove to be the next step forward in overcoming that hurdle.
Personally I hate the size of DSLR's and when the time's right will gladly trade mine for something smaller, and I bet many people including professional landscape, travel, and documentary photogs feel the same. Of an interesting note I couldn't help but notice that both the new D4 and D800 are reported to be both smaller and lighter then their predecessors,...
The writing, I believe, is on the wall.
The OLED viewfinder on the NEX 7 is superb, only bested by the optical viewfinders in some full frame DSLR's, it's actually better than anything in the cropped arena. The NEX 7 also proves you can make a small camera with full manual not to mention customizable control. The only area somewhat lacking right now with mirrorless is low light AF performance, although hybrid AF systems like the one found on the Nikon 1 series could prove to be the next step forward in overcoming that hurdle.
Personally I hate the size of DSLR's and when the time's right will gladly trade mine for something smaller, and I bet many people including professional landscape, travel, and documentary photogs feel the same. Of an interesting note I couldn't help but notice that both the new D4 and D800 are reported to be both smaller and lighter then their predecessors,...
The writing, I believe, is on the wall.
bajasurf
Explorer
Trevor, Fuji X-Pro1 with an APS-C sensor posted today: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=40236985
Posted in French but the comments below the article help to explain the details. Click on the photo to enlarge the article.
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bajasurf
Explorer
So here are the main interesting news about this article !
"The camera is aimed for real photographers and experienced enthusiasts"
-So first of all, the price : will be around 1300e for Body with 35mm/1,4 and each lens will cost around 600e.
Lens kit will be as expected 18mm/2 35mm/1,4 and 60mm/2,4 (macro). The lens are made with a solid metal alloy and all have the new proprietary Fujifilm "X-mount"
Like the X100, all the lens have a very short flange focus (17,7mm) and a large mount diameter which allow the lens to come really closer to the sensor (max 7,5mm). Those new Fujinon XF lens are discribed are "incredible"
-The body will sport the same X100 hybrid viewfinder but the new interesting feature will be the optical viewfinder. Like the Contax G2, the optical viewfinder will adjust to the lens mounted on the body.
-Fuji also confirmed a newly developed APS-C Cmos based sensor with a new technology called X-Tran. They say that new sensor it's directly inspired from analog film. Sensor Mpixel is not yet mentioned but Fuji is talking about the same as FF or better.
The sensor has a new layout for the colored photosites with an hexagonal pattern, that way it doesn't need an anti-moiré filter and fuji claims to gain more optical resolution
taco2go
Explorer
I was hesitating to respond....
because "Dying Breed" makes for a catchy title, but I think he's basically alluding to the fact that photographers are just getting more options in higher quality tools. And that's a good thing. One can still easily get a state of-the-art Mamiya med format digital back for those ginormous prints.
because "Dying Breed" makes for a catchy title, but I think he's basically alluding to the fact that photographers are just getting more options in higher quality tools. And that's a good thing. One can still easily get a state of-the-art Mamiya med format digital back for those ginormous prints.
Photomike
White Turtle Adventures & Photography
I actually like the larger camera, when I am shooting for 6 or 8 hours I like how it fits in my hand. Any smaller and it will not fit my hand and I would have cramps. I added extra grips to my DSLR's so they would be bigger and more comfortable. Smaller has a place but for myself at work it is not needed.