Entry-level kayak? Good value?

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
For starters, I wouldn't count on kayaking to get you more fit. You might tone your abs and upper body a tiny bit, but it's a pretty zen activity. You'd have to paddle for a couple hours to equal the calorie burn of a brisk hour long walk. Yes, I've calculated it with a HR monitor several times. I paddled 850 miles of ocean in 90 days and even then, I wouldn't say my upper bod was more fit than could have been achieved by 90 days of working out in my living room. Sounds odd, doesn't it?

That said, kayaking is awesome. Your first boat won't be your last if you like doing it. Don't plunk down too much dough on that first boat until you know what you want. My first boat was 16' long with a 25" beam because that's what I thought I wanted. My current boat is 21' long 22" wide, kevlar, fast and would have pinched me for about $4200 had I paid for it. There's a fast evolution to paddling and people often outgrow a starter boat quickly.

And don't skimp on the paddle. If you're going to splurge, do it on the paddle. A crap paddle won't do a nice boat justice but a nice paddle can bolster the performance of a crap boat.

As for your question about length - length and beam (width) are relative to the purpose of the boat. Lake boats and flat water river boats can be short and wide. Take that short boat on the ocean with good swells and you'll be bobbing like a cork and swerving all over. Long boats track true which is good for efficiency and logging big miles. Narrow boats also add to the sleek efficiency. Shorter boats are more maneuverable but don't track as well...usually. For what you're doing, a boat in the 12'-14' range will do. The beam will start around 25" for a flat water boat. You need to just go sit in some boats.

Depending what you want to do, don't discount a good rowing boat. I had a wineglass wherry from Pygmy kayaks that was absolutely killer. http://www.pygmyboats.com/mall/WGWSPECS.asp
 
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stick

Adventurer
recreation boats are typically the shorter and wider boats. They're also usually the entry level boats. They usually range from 9-12' in length. You're going to be on a larger river, so I'd go with something in the range that Flounder suggested ~14'. As far as the camera, I'd keep it in a dry bag just to be safe.
 

LUISJG

Explorer
I been kayaking for a long time , and will recommend you a malibu mini x, sit on top kayak start at 399.00,is extreamly stable ,10 foot, you can actualy sit sideways on the yak without tiping over, and do some fishing.

I just purchased a new kayak , native watercradt ultimate 12 ,awsome fishiing kayak but a bit expensive for entry level.

im same weight as you are ,,here is a picture of me on the malibu mini x.
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and here is a utube video of the ultimate 12 I just got,,"not my video though"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCEJpBfv2ro
 
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cshontz

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Streakerfreak said:
Don't go to LL Bean to buy your Kayaks.

Just out of curiosity, why not? I only ask this, because I'm looking at the LL Bean outdoor edition that came in the mail today, and its the only publication we receive that contains kayaks. They sure look fancy.

Is it a matter of their kayaks being of lesser quality?
 

cshontz

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grahamfitter said:
Hey Chris,

If you want a sit-in kayak, there's a Perception Sonoma 13.5 kayak for sale in York, PA: Link to craigslist ad

$460 for everything you need sounds pretty reasonable.

Cheers,
Graham

Good find, Graham! I'd look into that if I had cash on hand, but I'm still at the window-shopping stage I'm afraid.

There is a local outfitter along the Susquehanna that seems to be a hot-spot. They'll be my first stop, for sure - and they're having a demo weekend on May 10th and 11th. I'm excited to check it out.

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cshontz said:
Just out of curiosity, why not? I only ask this, because I'm looking at the LL Bean outdoor edition that came in the mail today, and its the only publication we receive that contains kayaks. They sure look fancy.

Is it a matter of their kayaks being of lesser quality?

It's all about knowledge. Places like LL Bean are very generalize and you will be lucky to find someone who really knows what they are talking about. Small independent operations live the life and know what they are talking about.

Quality is also iffy when it comes to kayaks since they are fairly new to the endeavor. Similar to Old Town. They know how to make canoes, but there kayaks tend to not be very efficient and and they are heavy. There kayaks tend to be for the general population who go to a lake maybe once a year. Go with a well know maker such as Wilderness Systems, Necky (pricey but good), Ocean Kayak (great sit on tops), etc. Kayaks are expensive so you want to make sure you get just the right one.

That is just my opinion and others will disagree with me.
 
cshontz said:
Good find, Graham! I'd look into that if I had cash on hand, but I'm still at the window-shopping stage I'm afraid.

There is a local outfitter along the Susquehanna that seems to be a hot-spot. They'll be my first stop, for sure - and they're having a demo weekend on May 10th and 11th. I'm excited to check it out.

If you can wait to then, that is the perfect way to buy a kayak. The also tend to give some great deals at events like that. You will get to try whatever style of kayak you may like and even check out different brands. Give it a go.
 

grahamfitter

Expedition Leader
Streakerfreak said:
If you can wait to then, that is the perfect way to buy a kayak. The also tend to give some great deals at events like that. You will get to try whatever style of kayak you may like and even check out different brands. Give it a go.

Yeah, what he said. The weather will be nice by then too. :)

Cheers,
Graham
 

Haggis

Appalachian Ridgerunner
Chris another brand you might want to check out is Old Town. We've been river running an Old Town canoe for the last1 4 years and its been a great canoe. Nice stable canoe, but handles even the twist and turns of the smaller creeks with aplomb. They take one heck of a beating and shrug it off. Now that the kids are bigger and we can't fit everybody in it anymore, we're going to purchase an Old Town Otter paddling kayak to supplement our fleet. After having tried a buddies Otter, we were really impressed.

For a deal check out the local canoe rental place and see if there are any old kayaks they are replacing and what to sell off. Sometimes you can get a good deal when an outfitter is upgrading his fleet.
 

stick

Adventurer
Haggis said:
Chris another brand you might want to check out is Old Town. We've been river running an Old Town canoe for the last1 4 years and its been a great canoe. Nice stable canoe, but handles even the twist and turns of the smaller creeks with aplomb. They take one heck of a beating and shrug it off. Now that the kids are bigger and we can't fit everybody in it anymore, we're going to purchase an Old Town Otter paddling kayak to supplement our fleet. After having tried a buddies Otter, we were really impressed.

For a deal check out the local canoe rental place and see if there are any old kayaks they are replacing and what to sell off. Sometimes you can get a good deal when an outfitter is upgrading his fleet.

Old Town makes great canoes, but I found them to be of a little lesser quality compared to other kayaks in the same price range. When I was first shopping for an entry level kayak I seriously considered the Old Town Otter. I found them at many sporting goods stores like ********'s, Gander Mountain and Dunham's locally. But, as I learned more and more about kayaks I realized that some of the other brands out there had better kayaks than Old Town has and are comparable prices. Even little things like drain plugs, more comfy seat and bungi cords for cargo were better on some of the other brands compared to Old Town. I think Old Town would be okay if you get a great deal on one, but if you're spending $400 or more for a kayak, then you would be better off looking at others. Just my $0.02
 

T.Low

Expedition Leader
I agree

Flounder said:
For starters, I wouldn't count on kayaking to get you more fit. You might tone your abs and upper body a tiny bit, but it's a pretty zen activity. You'd have to paddle for a couple hours to equal the calorie burn of a brisk hour long walk. Yes, I've calculated it with a HR monitor several times. I paddled 850 miles of ocean in 90 days and even then, I wouldn't say my upper bod was more fit than could have been achieved by 90 days of working out in my living room. Sounds odd, doesn't it?

That said, kayaking is awesome. Your first boat won't be your last if you like doing it. Don't plunk down too much dough on that first boat until you know what you want. My first boat was 16' long with a 25" beam because that's what I thought I wanted. My current boat is 21' long 22" wide, kevlar, fast and would have pinched me for about $4200 had I paid for it. There's a fast evolution to paddling and people often outgrow a starter boat quickly.

And don't skimp on the paddle. If you're going to splurge, do it on the paddle. A crap paddle won't do a nice boat justice but a nice paddle can bolster the performance of a crap boat.

As for your question about length - length and beam (width) are relative to the purpose of the boat. Lake boats and flat water river boats can be short and wide. Take that short boat on the ocean with good swells and you'll be bobbing like a cork and swerving all over. Long boats track true which is good for efficiency and logging big miles. Narrow boats also add to the sleek efficiency. Shorter boats are more maneuverable but don't track as well...usually. For what you're doing, a boat in the 12'-14' range will do. The beam will start around 25" for a flat water boat. You need to just go sit in some boats.

Depending what you want to do, don't discount a good rowing boat. I had a wineglass wherry from Pygmy kayaks that was absolutely killer. http://www.pygmyboats.com/mall/WGWSPECS.asp





Even when I was racing well, I still didn't have the metabolic rate to burn fat. I could paddle 20 miles in a day, but still couldn't hang with the guys (or half the girls!) on a mountain bike climb. While you need to be fit for white water slalom, or kayak surfing, etc, it in itself does not get you fit.

Seriously, this is how you get fit. http://bodyforlife.com/success/index.asp


Do that, then reward yourself with kayak lessons to help you figure out what type of kayaker you want to be, then buy the gear and get wet.

Best of luck.
 

grahamfitter

Expedition Leader
T.Low said:
Even when I was racing well, I still didn't have the metabolic rate to burn fat. I could paddle 20 miles in a day, but still couldn't hang with the guys (or half the girls!) on a mountain bike climb. While you need to be fit for white water slalom, or kayak surfing, etc, it in itself does not get you fit.

Seriously, this is how you get fit. http://bodyforlife.com/success/index.asp


Do that, then reward yourself with kayak lessons to help you figure out what type of kayaker you want to be, then buy the gear and get wet.

Best of luck.

Totally Off Topic: I competed (rather slowly) in some slalom races when I was at college in Wales. I can guarantee that the number of calories burned in those twenty minutes or so of racing over a weekend was negligible compared to the beer calories drunk over that same period. We always won the boat race in the pub on Saturday night so at least I did contribute something!

Every once in a while I miss the kevlar Nomad Pro-Am Extra race boat I had at the time. The college canoe club had more paddlers than boats so I paddled the Extra everywhere by necessity. Nostalgia only goes so far - I really don't miss the post creeking and surfing repairs and associated itchy skin.

As you were...

Cheers,
Graham
 

compactcamping

Explorer
Chris, one way to get a nice kayak at a reasonable price is to build it yourself. I built this one last year for about $200. It's called a Toto and is 13' long. Nice stable kayak, easy to paddle and it took about 30 hrs to make. I purchased the plans for it at www.duckworksmagazine.com for $15.
 

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