Expedition One Rear Bumper

Now, your warranty can be voided IF they can directly trace that changing your license plate lights to LED caused a major malfunction deeming a warranty issue. In order for a dealer/manufacturer to deny a warranty on a claimed part, they must PROVE that the part YOU installed/had installed DIRECTLY caused the failure of the part on which you’re claiming the warranty.

Jace Randolph
Expedition One
 
This is pointless.

I understand more about the CANBUS system and its controls of every function of not just RAM, but most all vehicles than what you would care me to. Body Control Modules as a mitigiator of functional communication of FET is a moot point the second you cut those wires. Who do you want me to contact there? Chad, Darrel, Chris Harris? I know most of them. Don't throw RAM at me, you will loose.

I think I am done, your ears are closed, and you won't change a thing on your product. I bet a dollar to a dime your product will be exactly the same one year from now. Come back next Christmas and prove me wrong.


You obviously never wanted a solution. Only an argument. I wish I could help, but unfortunately you know more than we do.

I have nothing more to prove. My attempt to provide YOU with a solution has been futile. I still have an EMPTY email inbox with no customer information to attempt to help with your powder-coat warranty. Again, no part numbers for the lighting problem that has been experienced. The only thing I have is you telling me I am wrong at every turn.

If you want a solution, I am still offering it. Again my email is sales@expeditionone.biz

Jace Randolph
Expedition One
 
King, you are right...Expedition One will argue this to death. Do what you can with what you have. The word is out and customers beware

Well, it seems as if I came into this with minds made up. There is no help from either direction. I will be running tests on various LED's tomorrow attempting to replicate a problem that we have not experienced on our end. Fingers crossed we get it. I will attempt to replicate an unknown issue with the parking assist sensors that we do not seem to have. I will also be exploring a QA change to help with catching PowderCoat warranties off the line.

Along with that I will find a better way to word that I need a customers email so I can attempt to offer them a solution to the problem they have. Like possibly providing a warranty for a possible craftsmanship defect.

Literally the only information I have is that we are wrong in our design, we need to use factory connectors for LED's, and feedback is not going to happen from this thread. I really hoped to help more.

Again my email is sales@expeditionone.biz

I am available to attempt to help troubleshoot any problems that have or may occur.

Feel free to reach out at anytime.

Jace Randolph
Expedition One
 

Kingsize24

Well-known member
I don't have any issues anymore, I paid more money out of my own pocket or spent time to correct the issues I had. Fix the coatings, cutting down the license plate to fit, machining spacers to space out the license plate over the two bolts directly behind it, researching connectors, wiring the connection for a factory style plug in for the lights, taking the truck to the dealer and paying them to turn off the lamp out for the LED's, turning off the backup sensors, having a custom breakout harness made the uses the factory style plug under the tailgate to breakout camera functions only instead of yanking on wires in the tailgate that are too short. I took care of me, I don't have any issues anymore. I am simply rebutting in this thread what he continues to say that they do not have issues with, or that are "problem solved" for the next person.

Also, I may still contact him, I haven't said yet that I would not, simply that the debate was pointless. No pride here, so there is nothing to swallow. They have issues they need to correct for a mass market product.

Also, I feel quite the opposite, I believe it should be done in open market since that is usually the only way to force companies like this to change, I've seen it many times in the past on multiple forums, some where I moderate or admin. It usually helps multiple people with the same issues, they respond, then it forces change.

JMHO on the subject.


The guy is offering to help resolve your issues, has apologized for the errors, and is attempting to get you taken care of.

It’s water under the bridge.

Swallow your pride and let the guy help.

Quit airing your dirty laundry here and email the guy. This argument isn’t helping anyone in this thread.


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I don't have any issues anymore, I paid more money out of my own pocket or spent time to correct the issues I had. Fix the coatings, cutting down the license plate to fit, machining spacers to space out the license plate over the two bolts directly behind it, researching connectors, wiring the connection for a factory style plug in for the lights, taking the truck to the dealer and paying them to turn off the lamp out for the LED's, turning off the backup sensors, having a custom breakout harness made the uses the factory style plug under the tailgate to breakout camera functions only instead of yanking on wires in the tailgate that are too short. I took care of me, I don't have any issues anymore. I am simply rebutting in this thread what he continues to say that they do not have issues with, or that are "problem solved" for the next person.

Also, I may still contact him, I haven't said yet that I would not, simply that the debate was pointless. No pride here, so there is nothing to swallow. They have issues they need to correct for a mass market product.

Also, I feel quite the opposite, I believe it should be done in open market since that is usually the only way to force companies like this to change, I've seen it many times in the past on multiple forums, some where I moderate or admin. It usually helps multiple people with the same issues, they respond, then it forces change.

JMHO on the subject.


Just in case.

Here is my email again, sales@expeditionone.biz
I am looking forward to helping you resolve your issue.

Jace Randolph
Expedition One
 

Dalko43

Explorer
The guy is offering to help resolve your issues, has apologized for the errors, and is attempting to get you taken care of.

It’s water under the bridge.

Swallow your pride and let the guy help.

Quit airing your dirty laundry here and email the guy. This argument isn’t helping anyone in this thread.


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^Totally agree.

I understand why there was frustration early on with the Expedition One bumper, but there is now a company representative willing to communicate directly with people who are having problems in an attempt to resolve those problems....if you want help, ask for it. I don't see the need for bickering at this point.
 
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Again... Can't find your emails anywhere. I have easily located chet6.7's email threads and have gone over the entire order... Feel free to forward them to me at sales@expeditionone.biz
-Jace

Would you like me to post them here? I provided them to Mastercard, it's kind of tacky but I can post them here if you feel like that's best. You sent me an email which I responded to...and then nothing back from you. Just like the other guy.

It's kind of odd, your email stated you wanted to move on from this but here you are calling me out.
 
We never once disputed your charge-back, what we disputed was the restocking portion. I do have a record of this. -Jace

You wanted to charge me 3% for a bumper you didn't deliver. Your stated "restock" was "...may charge 2%...". There is nothing absolute about "may" and 3% isn't 2%. Not to mention failing to reach the deadline, provide updates as promised, respond to email, or even deliver the product.

I'll be home on Saturday and will scan Expedition One's response to the dispute.
 
This was the Terms and Conditions Expedition One sent me the day I placed my order. I'm guessing no one bothered to read it. It's still on Expedition One's site.

Expedition One, LLC Terms and
Conditions
Limited Lifetime Warranty
Expedition One offers a limited lifetime warranty on bumpers, rocker guards, and steel products. to the
original purchaser. Expedition One products are warrantied to be free from material and workmanship
defects for as long as the original purchaser owns the vehicle the Expedition One product was originally
installed on and must provide proof of purchase. This warranty is non-transferable. Expedition One is
not responsible for any incidental or consequential damages such as, labor fees, loss of use, loss of time
and freight associated with the failure of any products. Any product that has been abused, altered,
incorrectly installed or used in competition and/or races is not covered. All components must be used in
their proper places and proof of this is required for warranty claims. Any substitutions of other
manufacturers components or exemptions of required components will immediately void the warranty.
Limited Warranty
The powder coat finish is a service offered by Expedition One and is warrantied to be free from major
defect for a period of 30 days from date of purchase. Defects in powder coat/paint are warrantied for 30
days from the date of purchase for defects in workmanship only. Expedition One requires a reasonable
amount of time to remedy or repair the product. Expedition One components may have minor finish
damage to powder coated or plated surfaces which may occur during shipping and is not covered under
warranty. Damage to items as a result of the shipping process is eligible for a claim with the shipping
company.
Geri fuel and water containers, washer fluid kits, and and all aluminum products are warrantied for a
period of one year. Proof of purchase is required. This warranty is non-transferable. Expedition One is
not responsible for any incidental or consequential damages such as, labor fees, loss of use, loss of time
and freight associated with the failure of any products. Any product that has been abused, altered,
incorrectly installed or used in competition and/or races is not covered. All components must be used in
their proper places and proof of this is required for warranty claims. Any substitutions of other
manufacturers components or exemptions of required components will immediately void the warranty.
This warranty does not apply to products or components which have been exposed to the natural
elements, that have not been maintained properly or have been unnecessarily exposed causing excess rust,
or subjected to accident, alteration, modification, improper installation, tampering, negligence, misuse, or
products installed on a vehicle used in sanctioned racing events. A race being defined as any competition
between two or more vehicles, or against the clock, whether or not a sanctioned or non-sanctioned event.
Expedition One does not warranty any product not manufactured by Expedition One. Expedition One
products are not covered under warranty outside the United States of America.
All orders received from Expedition One must be inspected and verified upon arrival. All claims must
be reported within 10 business days of defect occurrence to the original dealer of purchase. Claims
regarding items or products damaged or lost in shipping must be reported immediately. Recipients
should check products upon arrival before signing with the shipping company. It is highly
recommended that you refuse signature on damaged items and contact the shipping company and
Expedition One immediately to report the damaged items. For identified damage, it is required that you
submit digital photos of original packaging and damage incurred during shipping to Expedition One at :
info@expeditionone.biz. in order for us to process your claim with the shipping company. Any claims
made under this warranty must be accompanied by the original damaged product, and written description
of the damage and how it happened, and a copy of the original invoice at the time of purchase. The
customer is responsible for all shipping charges in warranty claims. Defects in powder coat/paint are
warrantied for 30 days from the date of purchase for defects in workmanship only. Expedition One
requires a reasonable amount of time to remedy or repair the product .
Custom ordered, limited, or special-run items for individual groups or companies are not returnable
items. Warranty claims on custom items must be filed within 90 days of original purchase and are subject
to the limited and lifetime warranty policies as previously outlined.
Terms and Conditions of Sale
At Expedition One we require payment at time of order. Custom and special order items and production
requests that may require longer assembly time require a 30% non-refundable deposit at time of order and
balance due prior to shipping. Standard, non-custom orders may be canceled within 72 hours prior to
shipping, but may be subject to a 2% cancellation /re-stocking fees as determined by Expedition One.
Authorized Returns

In order to file a claim on a damaged product you must ship the product to Expedition One for
repair/return. We require the original purchaser first submit digital photos prior to any authorization
of return and must receive a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) form prior to shipping any
return items to Expedition One. Any product that has been manufactured incorrectly or is of a defective
nature will be repaired or replaced at the discretion of Expedition One. Expedition One covers the cost
of the part only. Shipping, vehicle down time, etc. is the purchaser’s responsibility. This warranty does
not cover the removal or re-installation of the product. Expedition One will, at its option, repair,
replace or refund the purchase price of a defective product or component, provided you return the
defective product or component during the warranty period. Expedition One warranty excludes the
following Expedition One items: bushings, bearings, bump stops, joints, and hardware. These parts are
subject to wear and are not considered defective when worn.
Expedition One shall not be liable for any loss, damage or injury, whether ordinary, direct, special,
incidental or consequential damages, arising from the manufacture, sale, installation, resale, delivery,
possession, handling or use of its products. Expedition One is not responsible for typographical errors in
pricing or in content. Warranties, policies and prices are subject to change without notice. Use of your
vehicle in off-road conditions may significantly increase wear to critical components of your vehicle,
which will require and increase inspection protocol and maintenance schedule. Failure to properly inspect
and repair your vehicle may lead to failure of components, which may lead to catastrophic failure. Users
should be aware that installation of Expedition One products may change the way your vehicle handles.
We strongly encourage that vehicle occupants wear seat belts at all times and avoid sudden maneuvers.
Expedition One accepts no responsibility for any altered product, improper installation, or improper use
of our products.
Expedition One reserves the right to change pricing at any time and to discontinue, change the design,
finish, part number and/or application of parts when deemed necessary without written notice. Expedition
One will not be held responsible for changes or misprints or manufacturing changes made by the vehicle
manufacturer.
***Effective date March1 2008. Prior warranty information includes 30 days on finish and 12 months on
product.
 

mikekey

Deplorable
You obviously never wanted a solution. Only an argument. I wish I could help, but unfortunately you know more than we do.

I have nothing more to prove. My attempt to provide YOU with a solution has been futile. I still have an EMPTY email inbox with no customer information to attempt to help with your powder-coat warranty. Again, no part numbers for the lighting problem that has been experienced. The only thing I have is you telling me I am wrong at every turn.

If you want a solution, I am still offering it. Again my email is sales@expeditionone.biz

Jace Randolph
Expedition One

Hey there Jace,

You are basically **************** on your company name big time buddy. You should really consider how you respond to complaints and issues publicly.

Take it from someone who is an influencer and has worked in marketing for the last 6 yrs and is responsible for directing sales to businesses, your approach to this is asinine. You should stop posting, immediately. You don't need to reply here in the manner you are.

There are better ways to address things than this retarded ******** show. You're a business now. Not some dude in his garage taking everything personally.

Doesn't matter if the customer is wrong. You should be listening to them anyhow.

But accusing customers of lying and other stuff, that's just shooting yourself in the foot long term. You're building a base of haters who will spread the outrage far and wide. Especially when some of these people have documented proof.

Not winning any fans here.
 

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