First Drive Not So Encouraging, Help and Advice Needed

[MSGGrunt]

When looking up parts for these trucks, especially electrical with connectors, how do I know I am getting the correct part when I am not seeing they ask for a model year? I am on Source One Parts Center and this is what comes up. Part number ME132527. Does this look correct?

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[SkiFreak]

I have regularly found that the items listed in the dealer's parts books do not match the parts on my truck.
If sourcing parts online, I try to find listings that have actual images of the part being sold, opposed to simply relying on the part number alone.
Not always possible, but this approach generally results in getting the part I want.

As an example, regarding this specific part, I see that Mitsubishi seem to use the same part on different vehicles.
Look at Pajero/Shogun (2000-2006) with the part number MI4068. If this is identical to the part on your truck, it may be a cheaper option than a Fuso listed part.

 

[MSGGrunt]

There has to be a way of getting this part other than the UK?

 

[kerry]

There has to be a way of getting this part other than the UK?

Did you try Tom's Trucks in California? They typically carry a lot of Fuso parts.

 

[MSGGrunt]

Check Engine Light has returned. Twice now upon start up the CEL comes on and the engine doesn't respond to any throttle input. Turn the key off, restart and the CEL is not on and throttle input is normal. Thoughts?

I have to look for the connectors for "blink" testing, but didn't immediately see them once the dash was removed.

 

[SkiFreak]

I have to look for the connectors for "blink" testing

That is the only thing that will definitively tell you what the ECU is complaining about.
Those are my thoughts...

 

[MSGGrunt]

Another update. Tonight after work I went to start the truck and it started, but the check engine light came on and no RPM above 1,000. Turned it off and restarted the truck 4 or 5 times and every time the check engine light was on and low on power, but on the 6th cycle no check engine light and the engine rev'd normally.

I hate guessing and would like to at least have some direction other than reading it could be a TPS, but why randomly? Where are the wires located on a 2005 model year to do the blink test? I looked and didn't see anything that looked like the connectors in that video. Also, I have two OBD ports, one on the left (driver's) side low by the A pillar and another as part of the fuse box in the center of the vehicle. The center one is referenced in the FSM where you connect the Mitsubishi tester, but nothing about the other OBD port.

 

[MSGGrunt]

And another question, are the OBDII scan tools different between cars and heavy-duty trucks? Seems so, but I thought I'd ask. Any scanners that work with the Fuso that are not the Autel and cost thousands of dollars? I wouldn't be opposed to spending a few hundred dollars if I knew the scanner actually worked.

 

[SkiFreak]

Don't let the fact that there is an OBDII plug fool you.
Sadly, the data that comes out of the 2010 and earlier Fuso Canters ECUs (with the 4M50 engine) is propriety and not OBDII compliant.

Personally, I have tried over a half dozen different scan tools, with no success.
Having said that, the use of some scan tools, along with an app like Torque, can allow for the deletion of error codes.

 

[MSGGrunt]

Yeah, my searching Google and the forums is turning up that the older models, with the 4M50, aren't as easy to diagnose. My FSM shows the factory test scanner with all kinds of dongles and cables hooked up to varies connectors. The good in all of this is this isn't a pressing issue as the truck will not be on the road until I complete the cab swap. In swapping the cab all of the electrical connectors will be cleaned as will all grounds, so if a bad connection that may resolve the issue. If not then I have read a "dead" pedal can be from a bad TPS or a boost sensor.

 

[MSGGrunt]

Another new guy question. Let's say I need a throttle position sensor. First, where do I go to even find a part number? I am used to typing in a year, make, model and then it gives part numbers. I haven't found anywhere where this is the case. I can Google 2005 FG140 Fuso TPS and I get a part number, but this also comes up as the sensor for some other Mitsubishi vehicle, which of course could be the case, but not getting a warm and fuzzy. Second, am I relegated to actually having to call a Mitsubishi dealer who looks up my vehicle or VIN and then that is how I get the correct part? Still learning and with these trucks not offered in the US any longer I know it isn't going to be as easy as a domestic product. And I thought getting parts for my 1986 Euro Spec Range Rover Classic was a bit hard.

 

[SkiFreak]

having to call a Mitsubishi dealer

That's generally what I do, but if history is anything to go by, there's still no 100% surety that you get the right part number for your vehicle doing it this way.
I don't know how it is on your side of the planet, but here it used to be possible to get a custom built parts catalogue, based on your VIN.
That said, this was not a cheap option, costing about $300, which is what I was told.

 

[MSGGrunt]

At this point that would almost be worth it. This is the diagnostic tool shown in the FSM. Yikes.

 

[SkiFreak]

Not sure that is the right scan tool.
For my 2010 FG84, which is pretty much the same as the FG140 in the US, the correct scan tool is the MUT-III, not the MUT-II.
You can get Chinese clones of this scan tool, but there's no guarantee that they will function in the same way as the genuine ones.
I will add, a genuine MUT-III scanner is around AU$8K, if you can buy one (they are normally only sold to dealers).

 

[MSGGrunt]

It seems the 2005 model year in the US was kind of a transitional year. No DEF fluid and less computer controls. The one thing is determining the various changes year to year with regard to engines, pollution control, emissions controls, etc... And all of these being different depending on the country the vehicle was sold in.