Ford Takes @ $20 BILLION ‘Write Down’ and Dumps the EV F-150 Lightning

[Fenderfour]

And not always that. I'm not really doing long trips anymore. Just work commute. However, I live in a Condo w/ underground parking; No plug in. There are also no plug ins at my work sooo ICE it is for me. A hybrid would work as well. Really don't feel like sitting at a charging station for anywhere between 45 minutes to 2 hours.

Almost all modern EVs charge from 5% - 80% in 30 minutes. The newest models can charge faster. Folks who haven't had an EV think they need to get to 100%, because they always fill their gas tank up, but batteries don't like being stored full, especially in hot or cold weather.

I would also argue that owning an EV only makes sense if you can charge at home or work.

 

[Todd780]

Almost all modern EVs charge from 5% - 80% in 30 minutes. The newest models can charge faster. Folks who haven't had an EV think they need to get to 100%, because they always fill their gas tank up, but batteries don't like being stored full, especially in hot or cold weather.

I would also argue that owning an EV only makes sense if you can charge at home or work.

Agreed. If I could charge at home or work, that would make a big difference. Even 30 mins would be annoying.

If / when I can charge to say 80% in the same time it takes me to fill my Rav4, (like 5 minutes) and charging stations are as abundant as gas stations, I would consider an EV.

They'd also have to be priced similar to the equivalent ICE version. But, that's just my own thought process. YMMV.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

And not always that. I'm not really doing long trips anymore. Just work commute. However, I live in a Condo w/ underground parking; No plug in. There are also no plug ins at my work sooo ICE it is for me. A hybrid would work as well. Really don't feel like sitting at a charging station for anywhere between 45 minutes to 2 hours.

When I was working at a CDJR dealer I had a Tesla guy call in a panic wanting to know where the nearest Tesla charger was or if there were any public chargers around.

I got the vibe "yeah, about 20 miles southeast of here" was not the answer he was hoping to hear...

 

[tacollie]

One of the things I feel like never comes up in the EV versus ICE debate is how the EVS are targeted. They're either super cheap economical commuter cars or high dollar luxury items. An EV would absolutely work for my wife but a 10 year old Lexus SUV for under $20k was what she settled on. If she could get something like a 10 year old Rivian RS1 for $20k she would have been all over it but that doesn't exist. Since I'm the one that has to change the fluid and spark plugs I'm hoping things change

 

[2025 deleted member]

Hybrids do make sense in the short term. We've had two Prius, 60 mpg, little scheduled maintenance and the most reliable cars I've ever owned. The hybrid trucks and larger SUVs seem to be designed for power and don't gain much in mileage. What some of these "death to the EV" fanboys don't seem to understand is that using ICEs in the long term isn't an option. The science is there, they are going away. Speaking of gov't subsidies, what's the price tag for our latest military adventure on behalf of oil?

It could end up saving us money on oil. If you think an ecological and dollar cost hasn’t been placed on the mining involved for EV batteries….

 

[2025 deleted member]

Almost all modern EVs charge from 5% - 80% in 30 minutes. The newest models can charge faster. Folks who haven't had an EV think they need to get to 100%, because they always fill their gas tank up, but batteries don't like being stored full, especially in hot or cold weather.

I would also argue that owning an EV only makes sense if you can charge at home or work.

It’s still doesn’t math well in many cases.

 

[Gravelette]

Another imaginary claim, no one in this thread has said anything like this imaginary "death to the EV" as you say, and again you talk about how ICE engines are not a long term option yet you still have ICE engines and no EV, why is that? Practice what you preach there reverend.

More nonsense and a failure of logic. Acknowledging that ICEs are doomed has little to do with our personal choices. Current EVs don't suit everyone but we all should support continued development. The time when you'll either be driving an EV or sitting on the porch may not be that far in the future. I'm in favor of EVs being as good as they can be when that time comes. I don't know why anyone would feel differently unless they secretly think ICEs have a viable future.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Agreed. If I could charge at home or work, that would make a big difference. Even 30 mins would be annoying.

If / when I can charge to say 80% in the same time it takes me to fill my Rav4, (like 5 minutes) and charging stations are as abundant as gas stations, I would consider an EV.

They'd also have to be priced similar to the equivalent ICE version. But, that's just my own thought process. YMMV.

Up my way, at the highway exit I take, there is a gas station that has a row of Tesla chargers off to one side. Theres a fuel stop on the Mass Pike that has a ton of chargers as well. Far as I'm concerned, the idea of mooching off the public by ugging in for "free" at work, that should all go by the wayside. Looking forward to the day a full charge can be had in 10 minutes at the gas/charge station and some parking spaces at City Hall and other places dont need to be electric charging only, because the charge requirements can be met easily at a gas station style stop

 

[NevadaLover]

More nonsense and a failure of logic. Acknowledging that ICEs are doomed has little to do with our personal choices. Current EVs don't suit everyone but we all should support continued development. The time when you'll either be driving an EV or sitting on the porch may not be that far in the future. I'm in favor of EVs being as good as they can be when that time comes. I don't know why anyone would feel differently unless they secretly think ICEs have a viable future.

And once again you are pretending that anyone who posted anything about EV's not selling well and models getting cancelled while ICE vehicle models are making a comeback is totally anti-EV.

That isn't what was said and you know it, but you have a bad attitude of anyone who doesn't follow you is against you.

People can think different while not being completely different, that's the beauty of being human and American, even if you can't understand that.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

More nonsense and a failure of logic. Acknowledging that ICEs are doomed has little to do with our personal choices. Current EVs don't suit everyone but we all should support continued development. The time when you'll either be driving an EV or sitting on the porch may not be that far in the future. I'm in favor of EVs being as good as they can be when that time comes. I don't know why anyone would feel differently unless they secretly think ICEs have a viable future.

Respectfully: define a viable future? 50 years? 25? 10? So the expected lifetime of a brand new generation of ICE vehicles?

An ice vehicle built today typical will last 1o years. Possibly 15. And theres a ton of them.

Not knowing why anyone would feel differently than you, does not necessarily make you right. It means you are not seeing something that someone else is seeing. That can work both ways.

Diversification is probably the best way forward. I'm personally interested in seeing how EV's develop over the coming decade

 

[Gravelette]

I'll be willing to bet that within 20 years you will not be able to use an ICE for recreational travel. Of course I won't be around to collect my winnings.

 

[Gravelette]

you have a bad attitude

And you are an ignorant bully. Are we even?

 

[NevadaLover]

And you are an ignorant bully. Are we even?

So replying to your comments and calling out your hypocriticism makes me a bully? That's the saddest comment I've read in a long time, you need help.

 

[Gravelette]

I don't think hypocrite means what you think it does. Anyway, I'm taking Mark Twain's advice.

 

[NevadaLover]

I don't think hypocrite means what you think it does. Anyway, I'm taking Mark Twain's advice, so no longer arguing with a fool. Over and out...

Peace out, and don't forget that help!