Gravelette
Well-known member
Thanks. I'm obviously not right, seeing as how I'm spending time squabbling on the internet with other flakey sorts. Probably too late for help.
Ford Takes @ $20 BILLION ‘Write Down’ and Dumps the EV F-150 Lightning
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OutdoorAZ
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I lost at least 10IQ points reading this thread. Y'all need to chill out.
We bought a used EV a couple months ago taking advantage of their bad resale value. We've got my truck for trips and her car which I use to commute to work most days (64 miles round trip). Saving a ton of money every month even with gas prices dropping. There's essentially 0 maintenance and its surprisingly fun to drive.
My next truck will be a diesel electric hybrid. Probably an Edison motors conversion. All electric drivetrains with a small diesel generator. IMO that's the best way to do it and I wish it would catch on.
We bought a used EV a couple months ago taking advantage of their bad resale value. We've got my truck for trips and her car which I use to commute to work most days (64 miles round trip). Saving a ton of money every month even with gas prices dropping. There's essentially 0 maintenance and its surprisingly fun to drive.
My next truck will be a diesel electric hybrid. Probably an Edison motors conversion. All electric drivetrains with a small diesel generator. IMO that's the best way to do it and I wish it would catch on.
NevadaLover
Forking Icehole
And yet, after that last post you made here you are still replying, looks like you realize how incorrect you are and cannot let that go, good news for you is there are professionals to help you get over the pain of incompetence.
NevadaLover
Forking Icehole
Ram had an awesome concept with the ramcharger, that kind of range coupled with actual towing capabilities may have changed the game!
crazysccrmd
Observer
They’re still planning to produce it. They cancelled the full EV version and kept the EREV for now. I’m definitely interested in it. Electric charging at home for most of my driving but easy to drive distances and be off in the middle of nowhere camping/hunting/fishing and run off the onboard generator.
NevadaLover
Forking Icehole
I'm waiting for them to go from concept to production, I would definitely love to see it hit the market so I can grab one for the fleet.
cricketwagon
New member
Lightning isn't great for the conventional truck market, and Ford was taking losses making it. So MBAs decided to pull the plug instead of figuring out how to optimize production/technology to make it cheaper/better. Sure, there is the whole market sentiment to consider, but EVs are superior to ICE vehicles for majority of use cases. The two things that impact EV sales are the slightly higher purchasing costs (as opposed to ownership) and the fact a lot of people can't charge at home that make EVs less practical for those individuals. None of this is rocket science really.
As for the "resale value" the whole proposition is stupid. Vehicles (except some niche ones like collectibles or supercars) aren't an investment. If you're buying a vehicle, you better be prepared for it having zero resale value, or you risk being very disappointed.
P.S. Searching on Craigslist in Oregon I'm seeing quite a few F150 Lightnings for sale, but just one Cybertruck. It must be because Cybertruck sucks, right ?
As for the "resale value" the whole proposition is stupid. Vehicles (except some niche ones like collectibles or supercars) aren't an investment. If you're buying a vehicle, you better be prepared for it having zero resale value, or you risk being very disappointed.
P.S. Searching on Craigslist in Oregon I'm seeing quite a few F150 Lightnings for sale, but just one Cybertruck. It must be because Cybertruck sucks, right ?
ThundahBeagle
Well-known member
Slightly higher purchase price? Have you prices the Silverado ICE work truck vs the Silverado EV work truck? You can get one for 40k and the other for 72k. Which is which.Lightning isn't great for the conventional truck market, and Ford was taking losses making it. So MBAs decided to pull the plug instead of figuring out how to optimize production/technology to make it cheaper/better. Sure, there is the whole market sentiment to consider, but EVs are superior to ICE vehicles for majority of use cases. The two things that impact EV sales are the slightly higher purchasing costs (as opposed to ownership) and the fact a lot of people can't charge at home that make EVs less practical for those individuals. None of this is rocket science really.
As for the "resale value" the whole proposition is stupid. Vehicles (except some niche ones like collectibles or supercars) aren't an investment. If you're buying a vehicle, you better be prepared for it having zero resale value, or you risk being very disappointed.
P.S. Searching on Craigslist in Oregon I'm seeing quite a few F150 Lightnings for sale, but just one Cybertruck. It must be because Cybertruck sucks, right ?
You are 100% right about resale value and vehicles not being investments, though
85_Ranger4x4
Well-known member
IMO a lot of that is because of circumstances that don't really have anything to do with the driveline.
Accidents, flooding, tornadoes, various flavors of fires etc kill more vehicles than a dead engine at 100k.
Then the value gets down low enough something stupidly small is easy to total them.
Todd780
OverCamper
Agreed with above. The RamCharger would be an ideal solution for me. Except it won't fit in my parking stall along with my motorbike and I'm guessing it will be cost prohibitive compared to a ICE version. If it's a 10K difference, and I think that's being conservative, 10K buys a lot of gas.
NevadaLover
Forking Icehole
If it goes over 600 miles and can truly tow a good sized trailer I'm betting it sells well, I know I'm seriously interested, even at a premium price, but one more necessity for me is off-roadability, at least the mountain/desert roads that my suburban travels.
crazysccrmd
Observer
Why the ridiculous range requirement? My HD diesel can’t go 600 miles, towing or not. Unloaded at reasonable highway speeds I can do about 500 miles and towing a travel trailer or with my camper in the bed I can do about 350.
NevadaLover
Forking Icehole
That's what ram has stated for range, 690 was the original estimate, so I figure 600 is a good minimum, the traveling I do is off the beaten path i.e. no pavement as much as I can avoid, I can get 450 out of my 40 gallon burb when not towing or freeway speeds, so 600 would be worth the purchase, for me.
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