Freelander as an overland vehicle?
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There's no "sleuthing" needed - it's public record, takes a couple calls.
You WERE NOT certified by Land Rover. (Land Rover doesn't certify ANYONE as an "instructor".) Equinox doesn't know anything about any instructing certifications you hold. You ARE NOT listed as a member/partner of ANY corp. or LLC concerning DAP.
We're all reasonable when it comes to the truth - what's the relevant info?
What's "stupid" is that no matter where you go you ALWAYS have to lie about your past and experience. It's easy to fix - just stop lying! What makes a grown man do this?
Again, to all who frequent this board: I'm sorry for being off-topic. I'll end it here.
Jonathan Hanson
Well-known member
Since this thread came up in the moderator section, I just waded through the entire thing. Not to derail the current discussion, but something on the very first page caught my eye:
Just to set the record straight, the referenced Disco belongs to our hopelessly mod-addicted publisher, not me. I drive a 36-year-old FJ40 with 310,000 miles on it, equipped with a set of Old Man Emu springs and shocks I found slightly used for $200. Bling? Let's see - I have a fancy gravity-feed water tank in there, a marine plywood load deck covered with ozite carpet, a nice Stout Equipment rear tire carrier, and, um . . . well, that's about it.
With that said, everything I have ever put in that vehicle has been the best I could find. I don't consider that to be "bling" - just good sense.
Back to topic . . .
Just to set the record straight, the referenced Disco belongs to our hopelessly mod-addicted publisher, not me. I drive a 36-year-old FJ40 with 310,000 miles on it, equipped with a set of Old Man Emu springs and shocks I found slightly used for $200. Bling? Let's see - I have a fancy gravity-feed water tank in there, a marine plywood load deck covered with ozite carpet, a nice Stout Equipment rear tire carrier, and, um . . . well, that's about it.
With that said, everything I have ever put in that vehicle has been the best I could find. I don't consider that to be "bling" - just good sense.
Back to topic . . .
back to the facts, how are you getting around this with your TD5 swap. I don't buy the "I have friends in high places" bull**** "
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/engswitch.pdf
maybe this should move to a new thread
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/engswitch.pdf
maybe this should move to a new thread
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MuddyOval
Guest
You called and asked to book me as an instructor and asked if I was certified by Land Rover... then you lie about what Josh Williams (the manager there) told you. You lied on here about what you were told! :victory:
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DiscoD
Guest
Steve,
I've read your post and again I don't want to sound like a broken record or for you to think I'm "flaming" you. But again, I see holes right through your stories, man.
I'm not the 4-wheeling police or John Grissom. I'm just trying to understand why you try so hard to fit in. Certainly this "goon gang" are not the ones who've ruined your creditability. I think it's simple common sense that takes president over your word.
I'm not going to comment on your D.A.P. ownership. You very well may be a owner, I don't know. I still think it's odd in the way you play your words to not give a full, honest, answer, but so be it. It's your story, not mine.
Too be honest, I think you're outright lying abut the HAM thing. Sorry. Your behavior during and after your announcement of your call sign is too fishy. No one goes through the lengths you did to cover up a joke. You sincerely wanted people to believe you were in fact KA9AID.
As for the Defender 110 not being a big deal "back then", sorry, it was. Land Rover coming back to the USA was huge. The coil spring Rover was huge. People over here had not seen a new Rover since the Series III and the Defender anticipation was huge. Social clubs such as your very own ROAV were still in existence. Many Land Rover clubs were in existence. You were allegedly driving 1 of only 500 trucks produced for the US market. Even if D-90 Source was not around in 1993, you were still driving a rare breed and you had to know this. It was stamped right on the back of the vehicle. Even if Defenders were not a big deal to you many years ago, you still claim to be a car guy from way back. You claimed to have raced MG's. You've claimed to be a Jeep wheeler from the early days. You've always claimed to be a car enthusiast. Even if Rovers were not your bread-and-butter, you would still have understood the significance of a vehicle that only had 499 brothers.
So that only leaves two options:
1) You were really not a car enthusiast, or;
2) you never owned a Defender 110.
I do not claim to have owned many cars. I have certainly not owned as many as you claim to have owned. In my name, I have owned 8 cars. I can tell you everything about my 8 cars. I could even go back and look at filed insurance policies and provide VIN numbers. I could supply DMV paperwork from when the vehicles were tagged or personal property receipts when I paid my taxes. I keep all of this stuff. Maybe you don't and that's fine. But my point is that if you really wanted to stop the accusations against you, you could dig up a bit of information to push people back a bit.
You've never done this.
Instead you come up with some story about "I'm a part owner in the company that owns D.A.P.". You always lack the details to prove your creditability. I'm not bashing you, I'm just saying that this is the reason no one believes you or your stories. Is it that hard to say "I'm the part owner in the XYZ Company"?
Another one is you claiming to have run all the trails at the past MAR site, Pearls Pond, in your Freelander. I'm not saying you never did run all the trails, I just find it highly unlikely. The Freelander does not have the power, or the gearing, to run trails such as Goat Hill - or even Andriette's Hill for that matter. These trails are/were very steep. On a dry day I could see a Freelander getting up Andruettie's Hill. During wet weather that's another story. But Goat Hill is a total 180. I saw Steve Turner from Rovertym bury his 1996 Discovery on 35x13.50 BFG Krawlers, locked front and rear, at the base of Goat Hill. This was during dry conditions on day 1 of the 2006 MAR. The same mud pit was there in 2003, too, when James Gall, Trevor Combs and Dan Chapman tried to pass through. All 3 of their trucks buried them selves at the base of the first hill decent. Trevor had 37" tires on his D90. I know your Freelander was not passing through that area.
In 2003 the same mud pit was in Goat Hill. But in addition to the mud pit, the trail was a lot different. Rover ruts had not been formed into the trail, yet. The trail was pretty new back in 2003 and there were a lot more trail hazards (trees, leaves, stumps, etc.) I remember seeing you at MAR in 2003. 2003 would have been the year to do Goat Hill if you were going to attempt it because years 2004, 2005, and 2006 were wash outs and I know damn well a Freelander did not do Goat Hill then.
Maybe you did Goat Hill on a work weekend? I doubt this, too. Not only do I question the Freelanders ability to climb Goat Hill, but you sold the Freelander in 2004. I do not remember you at the 2002 MAR clean-ups. Were you there? Were you in the Freelander? I'm not sure I remember you at any of the 2003 clean-ups, either. I remember you getting to MAR a day early in 2003 to help set-up, but I do not remember you at the 2003 clean-ups. Were you there for 2003 clean-ups in the Freelander? When did you climb Goat Hill? No one was dumb enough to run Goat Hill by themselves, so who was with you?
For the last time, I'm not flaming you, Steve. I'm just pointing out why people question you. You never give good detail to your successes. You leave a lot to be imagined. This is why people are skeptical of your advice and/or experiences.
Antichrist
Expedition Leader
Is there a way to give a thread a negative rating? I'm thinking something like -10 for this one.
how many moderators does it take to control one thread?
maybe you guys need to talk to each other a bit because from what I have seen there have been a number of posts by Scott and I would guess ones enough?
Scott Brady
Founder
Well, we are trying not to be overly heavy handed, or close the thread, hoping that members would stop posting flaming attacks against Steve.
There is obviously some serious hate going on towards Steve by a large contingent of LR owners, even people typically reserved and respectful in their approach. This certainly says something to me, but I am willing to check this stuff out. If he is lying, I do not want him on ExPo either. If he is not lying, then he is welcome here.
Steve just PM'ed me a bunch of contact information for their company partners and LR Experience people. It sure seems he is making the effort. I should have some time to call everyone tomorrow and will post up what they say tomorrow.
Would it be possible for the flaming of Steve to stop for 24 hours until I can call these people?
There is obviously some serious hate going on towards Steve by a large contingent of LR owners, even people typically reserved and respectful in their approach. This certainly says something to me, but I am willing to check this stuff out. If he is lying, I do not want him on ExPo either. If he is not lying, then he is welcome here.
Steve just PM'ed me a bunch of contact information for their company partners and LR Experience people. It sure seems he is making the effort. I should have some time to call everyone tomorrow and will post up what they say tomorrow.
Would it be possible for the flaming of Steve to stop for 24 hours until I can call these people?
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MuddyOval
Guest
Hey Tom- you known Lou for years- why not give him a call and ask who owns DAP now?
The company is owned by another company, common practice. 50% is mine. 50% belongs to a friend. I have the final say on decisions here, although Al typically runs the place when he's in so I can do other things. There ya go.
Mr. Trail Monitor- Yes, Goat hill when dry and only one winch episode. Andretti's Hill- yes, when dry after many attempts. My wife and I went to every pre-MAR weekend we could, and she often cooked for the entire staff. Not sure where you were.
Nice to see someone went back to the goon squad to get some new members here to play. Worst part is that this site has to put up with them.
timmy!!!!!!!
Explorer
new here, found this thread a real interesting read.
but on topic, i fought this on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4z7N9R5Ew&feature=related
my dad in the UK has the td4 version, resale is cr*p to be fair. he's done about 80k miles in 4 years. he swears by it.
as for offroading in it, it does get its wheels dirty from time to time, usually dragging a trailer with motorbikes on off muddy fields at enduro events, it performs admirably there. its even been known to pull my brothers rally car on a car transporter, does that well also. maybe my dad just bought a "good" one i don't know. but he doesn't have a bad word to say about.
and my family has owned various incarnations of discoveries as well. (only the freelander is still in family)
here is my brother in his old disco
what do i own, a jeep commander, i would have bought a disco myself but my wife wouldn't allow, her old boss had a TD5, never anything but trouble.
but on topic, i fought this on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4z7N9R5Ew&feature=related
my dad in the UK has the td4 version, resale is cr*p to be fair. he's done about 80k miles in 4 years. he swears by it.
as for offroading in it, it does get its wheels dirty from time to time, usually dragging a trailer with motorbikes on off muddy fields at enduro events, it performs admirably there. its even been known to pull my brothers rally car on a car transporter, does that well also. maybe my dad just bought a "good" one i don't know. but he doesn't have a bad word to say about.
and my family has owned various incarnations of discoveries as well. (only the freelander is still in family)
here is my brother in his old disco
what do i own, a jeep commander, i would have bought a disco myself but my wife wouldn't allow, her old boss had a TD5, never anything but trouble.
Steve:
Congratulations on your ownership stake.
I know how proud you are and it's certainly justified.
Good luck with your diesel swap. Sadly, I apparently attracted too much attention to myself trying to comply with every regulation as that's how I roll in business.
Cheers,
PT
(WD9HRP for those who care-LOL. I really do live an open and notorious life!)
Congratulations on your ownership stake.
I know how proud you are and it's certainly justified.
Good luck with your diesel swap. Sadly, I apparently attracted too much attention to myself trying to comply with every regulation as that's how I roll in business.
Cheers,
PT
(WD9HRP for those who care-LOL. I really do live an open and notorious life!)
Antichrist
Expedition Leader
This seems to be setting a dangerous precedent.
If 3 or 4 members here start accusing another member of being a liar, about something that isn't even germane to the thread, is the accused going to have to submit proof that they aren't lying? As best as I can tell all the mud-slinging started because someone said they liked the Freelander, except for the engine/gearbox, and people with a history of animosity decided it was open season.
The only question I could find actually related to this thread (admittedly I may have missed one buried in the mud) that wasn't answered was
edited to change 82 to 85/86
If 3 or 4 members here start accusing another member of being a liar, about something that isn't even germane to the thread, is the accused going to have to submit proof that they aren't lying? As best as I can tell all the mud-slinging started because someone said they liked the Freelander, except for the engine/gearbox, and people with a history of animosity decided it was open season.
The only question I could find actually related to this thread (admittedly I may have missed one buried in the mud) that wasn't answered was
But that was actually answered before it was asked.
who from all indications feels it's fine for certain "expedition" use.
Actually, I don't know Lou very well, but I have known Al since '79/80. I actually thought about ringing up and asking, but the fact of the matter is that I don't care. So far I've had no reason to care, and unless I have a problem with something that isn't resolved to my satisfaction I don't foresee myself caring who owns it. Now, if I'd taken up Al's enquiry in '85/86 if I was interested in setting up a west coast branch of DAP, then I probably would care.
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