Freelander as an overland vehicle?

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DiscoD

Guest
Okay, things have gone just a bit too far.

Steve Young,
I don't want you to think I'm attacking you; I'm not. I'm not here to start a flame war or personally "bash" you, and I'm not some goon only coming around to spread insults.

But, I do see a few holes in your already questionable past, or, Never Ending Story. Can I call you Valcore?

What struck me as odd, and what influenced me to post, is your story about your HAM licensing. You claimed that the only reason you posted a bogus call sign is because you were pressured to do so by some "nosy" attention seekers.

I remember this topic differently. I don't think I need to go into very much detail, so I'll just post the link to the thread on www.discoweb.org where you did post a call sign. http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6435

Within that post on Discoweb, you volunteered a call sign, KA9AID. This call sign comes back to a Steven C. Young, yet you spell your name Stephen.

This is not a big deal since you've already stated that you posted a bogus call sign. I can't explain why you posted a bogus call sign, but you did and you've fessed up.

However, what I find stranger than you actually posting a bogus call sign is how you got offended when people called your bluff. If you were only joking around when you posted a bogus call sign you would not get offended when someone busted you. If you were doing this to be funny, you would have laughed it off. But this was not the case. You got offended. You got mad that someone questioned you. If you were only joking around, fine - hahaha. But you decided to reply with a voice such as this: http://www.landroversonly.com/forums/f3/ham-radios-16302/index5.html#post155499

That's not joking around; that's covering you ***. Or, at least, attempting to. You did not come out and say "hahaha". You only added to your already growing lie.

It was not just one post, either, you got upset in. You continued to grow your lies one-post-after-another. It goes on-and-on. You continuity tried to convince Mike R that you were in fact a HAM and that your call sign was KA9AID.

That's not normal.

Another thing that you have called attention to is your work history. I even think you've claimed to be an owner, or part owner, in D.A.P. I don't believe this to be correct. Can you comment on that? Are you Al and Penny's partner in crime?

What about your previous work history? Again, I'm not calling you out and I'm only calling it how I see it. I see it as more bogus information. You've claimed to be a "former electronic warfare and communications officer". You've also claimed to be in security within the Air Force assigned to guarding Air Force 1. You've claimed to be into computers while in the military. You claim to have been a SAR trainer. You claim to work hand-and-hand with local law enforcement and fire departments, and you've even stated that the local authorities have called you personally to assist in emergencies in your Land Rover.

What I've found is that you add a little something else to your stories to enlarge your pee-pee, such as in this thread. When you say "I was called out" you are speaking of yourself. You're not talking about a group of people or an agency, you are talking in first person. I learned this about you from your posts. You do it a lot. I have no doubt that you may have been involved with a stuck tractor-trailer on the Interstate during snowy conditions. I'm not arguing that you sat in the vehicle the entire time. But the "I was called out" part of your statement is what throws a lot of people off. I know no one called Steve Young. It does not work that way. It never has. I don't care how busy an agency gets, they're not going to pick up a phone and call Steve Young to come assist traffic on the Interstate during foul whether. Could you only imagine the liability? And we all know how you like to talk about liability, Steve.
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Just search Steve Young Liability for more. I could go on for pages....

But what's relevant is that to Steve Young, item such as bumpers, shocks, brake pads, etc... are all liability issues, but the State Police calling Joe The Traffic Cop is not. It does not add up and it's certainly not feasible.

Now, in this traffic cop situation Steve was probably part of a fire or rescue agency. Instead of "I got called to", it's more like "my agency got called to" a stuck tractor-trailer. That sounds a whole lot more logical. That sounds believable. That's common operating procedure. But that's not how Steve words his posts. Steve adds a little extra in there. That little extra adds a little bit more pee-pee to Steve's already swelling head.....er, pee-pee

You can find a lot more examples like this when Steve talks about D.A.P. Steve will mention stuff in his posts like, "I've got three TJM bumpers in stock. Call me for a special price"; or, "I just ordered a container load of NATO Jerry Cans and I will beat anyone's price".

For the person who does not know any better, they would think Steve is the owner of D.A.P. But like I said, I don't think this is the case.

Steve has also claimed to own a lot of different vehicles. Maybe he has, I don't know. Really, I don't care and I agree with Steve that it's no ones business. Who cares? So what...

But there is one thing that strikes me as odd here, too. Steve claims to be Mr. Land Rover. Steve drives Land Rovers, works on Land Rovers, attends Land Rover events, works at a place that retails Land Rover parts, posts/reads Land Rover forums, and buys Land Rover toys. Steve bleeds green. Steve has one life and he's living it. So, Steve is Mr. Land Rover.

Now, I don't mind telling you that I've had several Discovery's. I can tell you that I've had a green one, a white one, a grey one, and a black one, all of varying years. Who gives a ****?

But there is a certain marque with the Defender crowd. The Defender crowd is different. Look at www.d-90.com. Notice how all the Defender owners post as to what # Defender they own or have owned. This is typical of Defender owners. It's pride.

But for some reason Mr. Land Rover Steve has always avoided the question, "What number Defender 110 did you own?". Steve has never answered this question. I think that's strange. The D-110 is a rare breed. If you own, or have ever owned, a D-110, you know what number it was. It's not like remembering your VIN number on your Discovery. It's a number somewhere between 1 and 500. That number becomes etched in your memory. Those pictures of your D-90/110 are displayed proudly in your photo albums, even more so if you bleed green and live your one life.

So I find it very strange Steve, Mr. Land Rover, will not post this information. Perhaps it's because he knows these D-110's are too easy to track once the number is obtained. Who knows....

As for Freelanders, who cares. It's a joke of a car. If some people like them, who cares. The proof is in the pudding. I never saw a Freelander complete the Rubicon or climb Rattle Rock at the Windrock OHV park. I never saw the Freelander cross Iceland or spend months in the bush of Africa. The Freelander was a commuter car and it even failed at that. Are "70%" still on the road today? I have a gut feeling that there is not (at least in the USA). I seldom even see them any longer.

One last thing and I'm calling it quits.

Steve claims to "wheel hard". Steve claimed to wheel his Freelander hard and claims to raise a little hell in his Disco(s). Maybe he does, I don't know. I've never seen him complete as much as a dirt road at the MAR event in his Rovers. Steve has always been far too busy to wheel when I'm around. Packing up his roof-top-tent, helping with children games, sniffing Bill Burke's armpit, etc... I've never actually seen Steve Young "wheel hard" a vehicle. But Steve claims to wheel hard.

All of us could probably post some pictures of our truck(s) in a compromising position. Even if you do not "wheel hard", it happens. I know Steve rolled his Freelander once and that was funny. But what was even funnier is that he rolled on flat ground; two of his wheels went into a ditch while the other two were on flat ground. That's funny right there, I don't care who you are. But that's it. I have never seen Steve or one of his trucks on a "hard" trail or heard of Steve going to some remote places where trails are commonly known as "hard".

But Steve "wheels hard"?

Steve has been into Land Rovers a lot longer than I have. According to Steve, he has been places I could only dream of seeing. According to Steve, he knows what he's doing and has experience to back it up. But where is the proof? Where are the eye witnesses? Where are the pictures? We know Steve has a Camera because he often talks about the many Nikon's he's owned. Steve has even told others how to use their cameras and recommended cameras to others. So certainly Steve takes pictures, right?

Just like when Steve was asked to provide a few names of "trainers" who enjoy the Freelander, Steve turns the other cheek when asked for proof of his wheeling experience. Steve thinks people are out to get him or something. We're all after him. But really, Steve, honestly....people are only curious. If you claim to have wheeled a "hard" trail in Maine, people would like to see it. That's why we buy magazines. That's why we read these forums. We like to see pics and we like to see these vehicles do amazing things. But you take offense to that even though you bleed green.

It just gets a little weird sometimes, Steve. Just a little too unbelievable.
 
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Scenic WonderRunner

Guest
Gee....

Have any really cool Land Rover Peeps.....takin' a Really cool trip to the outback lately. You Know....an Expedition. The reason why we are here!

With the Wind in your hair. The Awesome Sunsets! The Awesome Moon Rise! Your Friends and Family at your Side!

The Campfires!.....:camping: ........ The Smores! ...:1888fbbd:

And the Awesome Pics to Prove it?


Just spreading some Toyota Love to the Land Rover peeps.:ylsmoke:


Just sayin' .....:sombrero::costumed-smiley-007:ylsmoke:




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MuddyOval

Guest
We'll run through this quickly- since this is getting stupid.

Ham thing- covered. I think it's bogus for people to pry and I threw some garbage at someone who is nosey and generally someone I just don't care for.

I am, in fact, part owner of the company which owns DAP, as is my wife. Al, the founder, still works there part time as does the same crew from many years before. DAP is expanding.

My USAF history started in computers/comm which included working with contractors on e-warfare and countermeasures testing. Family medical issue meant a forced PCS to Andrews for access to medical research facilities. I applied for and was selected to work the USAF1 complex, although I had to change my specialty from comm... I had the clearances already and they jumped at having me there. The newly selected AF2 pilot spent last weekend at my house. But anyway- left USAF on medical and went to intel community to serve my country as a civilian.

When the 110 came out, there wasn't a forum for them. It wasn't that big of a deal to have one, other than meeting the other guy at the dealer the same mornings because they would seem to break about the same time. Bought it from HBL, who later sold the franchise to Rosenthal. We think mine went from International Motors to KY, where we think it was then purchased by a military person and went to NC. Lost track there. The badge # on the back was not significant to Defender owners until later. I *do* have pics and have posted them. Owning that truck wasn't as significant to me as it is to you.

The TT incident did result in ME getting called. They don't call in volunteers by groups over broadcast, the state emergency mgmt activates the volunteer groups (which enables insurance coverage), which then dole out the individual assignments. They called me for that one because I have chains and a decent truck with strobes. I always get those calls, maybe because I'm usually in the meeting doling out the jobs and I like the ones that involve sitting in a heated truck.

As for MAR- I always worked that event and usually didn't hit too many trails because of it. I worked the hell out of the trails on the work weekends and the early days of the event. My Freelander did every trail there, period.

edit add-on: Yes, I am certified by Land Rover to teach wheelin' From what I hear, I'm pretty good at it. Come on up for a lesson.

Want a pic of my Nikon or something? Not sure I follow ya.
 
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Scenic WonderRunner

Guest
I now officially give up!:sombrero:

That didn't take long!




Gee....

Have any really cool Land Rover Peeps.....takin' a Really cool trip to the outback lately. You Know....an Expedition. The reason why we are here!

With the Wind in your hair. The Awesome Sunsets! The Awesome Moon Rise! Your Friends and Family at your Side!

The Campfires!.....:camping: ........ The Smores! ...:1888fbbd:

And the Awesome Pics to Prove it?


Just spreading some Toyota Love to the Land Rover peeps.:ylsmoke:


Just sayin' .....:sombrero::costumed-smiley-007:ylsmoke:




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MuddyOval

Guest
When will people learn that web lynchings and pile-ons are generally not wanted by adults? It's gotten old, but maybe they'll let the grown ups talk about expedition related stuff now. None seem to understand that personal issues are best kept in a PM. I hate to speak ill of my preferred brand, but it seems that the Rover gene pool has thinned over the years as the used trucks get really cheap.
 

Rexsname

Explorer
Mods....please can we just STOP this train wreck? If a person is not liked on one on-line forum does that automatically mean that he is not liked on another? Good Grief folks......take a step back and a deep breath.

REX
 
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Scenic WonderRunner

Guest
Mods....please can we just STOP this train wreck? If a person is not liked on one on-line forum does that automatically mean that he is not liked on another? Good Grief folks......take a step back and a deep breath.

REX


Thanks REX!

I would like to think that Everyone is my friend......unless proven otherwise. I would certainly like to meet them before I decide against them!


And! This Toyota Owner.....wishes All of the Land Rover Owners well!






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muskyman

Explorer
We'll run through this quickly- since this is getting stupid.

Ham thing- covered. I think it's bogus for people to pry and I threw some garbage at someone who is nosey and generally someone I just don't care for.

I am, in fact, part owner of the company which owns DAP, as is my wife. Al, the founder, still works there part time as does the same crew from many years before. DAP is expanding.

My USAF history started in computers/comm which included working with contractors on e-warfare and countermeasures testing. Family medical issue meant a forced PCS to Andrews for access to medical research facilities. I applied for and was selected to work the USAF1 complex, although I had to change my specialty from comm... I had the clearances already and they jumped at having me there. The newly selected AF2 pilot spent last weekend at my house. But anyway- left USAF on medical and went to intel community to serve my country as a civilian.

When the 110 came out, there wasn't a forum for them. It wasn't that big of a deal to have one, other than meeting the other guy at the dealer the same mornings because they would seem to break about the same time. Bought it from HBL, who later sold the franchise to Rosenthal. We think mine went from International Motors to KY, where we think it was then purchased by a military person and went to NC. Lost track there. The badge # on the back was not significant to Defender owners until later. I *do* have pics and have posted them. Owning that truck wasn't as significant to me as it is to you.

The TT incident did result in ME getting called. They don't call in volunteers by groups over broadcast, the state emergency mgmt activates the volunteer groups (which enables insurance coverage), which then dole out the individual assignments. They called me for that one because I have chains and a decent truck with strobes. I always get those calls, maybe because I'm usually in the meeting doling out the jobs and I like the ones that involve sitting in a heated truck.

As for MAR- I always worked that event and usually didn't hit too many trails because of it. I worked the hell out of the trails on the work weekends and the early days of the event. My Freelander did every trail there, period.

edit add-on: Yes, I am certified by Land Rover to teach wheelin' From what I hear, I'm pretty good at it. Come on up for a lesson.

Want a pic of my Nikon or something? Not sure I follow ya.

some people never learn LOL
 

4Rescue

Expedition Leader
Thanks REX!

I would like to think that Everyone is my friend......unless proven otherwise. I would certainly like to meet them before I decide against them!


And! This Toyota Owner.....wishes All of the Land Rover Owners well!






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Agreed, this is going nowhere... just when we though we'd gotten back to talking about actual vehicles the flames come back...

And for the record Scenic: I would like to think of everyone here on the board as a 'friend' of sorts including your self and I've never actually met a single one of you. THis board is great and it's the lack of threads like this that make it great.

Now let talk more about diesel's... I can never get sick of that ;)

CHeers

Dave
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Agreed. The point has been made, and now grown men are acting like children.

Enough.

Keep the posts about the Freelander - please. This forum has rules about flaming and personal attacks.
 

emmodg

Adventurer
Mr Young IS NOT certified by ANYONE to instruct. (Equinox Resort, where the LR Experience in VT resides, does not know of any certification held by Mr Young) I'm an instructor, there are may instructors on this board. I take offense to guys like this making up certifications. There are enough "instructors" like Mr Young in this industry as it is - don't give us a bad name.

Mr Young is not listed as an agent and/or partner of DAP Enterprises (according to the Vermont State Corporations Board, or the Mass. State Corp. Board which is the LLC'c state of origin). DAP's registered agent Donna Al Penny Enterprises Inc does not list Mr. Young as an agent or partner. He answers telephones there.

You guys think this is flaming and/or character bashing - it's not! It's telling the truth!
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Steve,

Looks like you have a simple way to clear your name, and end all this silliness. Provide your proof of ownership in DAP and provide proof of your employment or contract with LRNR to provide training. You can even send them to me, and I will attest to their accuracy (if you do not want the information public).

Between the posts in this thread and the PMs I am receiving, I am honestly concerned. The ball is in your court.

That all being said, lets give Steve a chance to provide some proof, or not, and then we can end all of this.

I am sure all of you have better things to do with your time, and personal attacks are against our policy. The point has been made, and now Steve has a chance to respond in a convincing way. . .

Thanks.
 
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Antichrist

Expedition Leader
I'm not really clear why people care so much about what claims others make about their experience, cars, certifications or whatever.
If someone isn't really an instructor and says, "I'm an off-road instructor and it's perfectly fine to anchor to a tie rod as a recovery point." certainly people will step in and correct the misinformation. On the other hand, if they say, "Im an off-road instructor and you should really use a substantial recovery point like Dixon-Bate jaw", does that make the information any less valid?
IMO the same holds true for any other technical information you read on the web. Focus on the accuracy, or inaccuracy, of the technical information, and ignore the rest. The former will be sorted out in short order.

I honesly don't pay much attention to peoples' "claims-to-fame". I've seen nearly as much mis-information presented as fact by people who should know better as I have from people are complete noobs.
 
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MuddyOval

Guest
Good grief this is getting stupid- Your 'super sleuth' skills are just not working. I'll PM the relevant info to a reasonable person.
 

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