Clutch
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this is where that saying "to each their own" comes to mind.
I grew up operating heavy equipment...I tend to like levers, of course joystick machines are nice too.
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Future Toyota 4x4s for the US Market
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this is where that saying "to each their own" comes to mind.
I grew up operating heavy equipment...I tend to like levers, of course joystick machines are nice too.
p nut
butter
Wo, calm down guy. You can voice your opinion if you would like--no need for personal attacks.
As far as difference? Look at my second to last post. As Kermit said, to each their own.
Uh, I would love to see you twist that dial without letting go of the steering wheel. :elkgrin: Besides, the new dials are where the old levers used to be.
reece146
Automotive Artist
I'm a gadget guy but prefer a lever.
Years ago I had a push button shifter Ford Bronco II. It was hit or miss whether that thing would shift into gear, which wasn't that bad in of itself. The issue was sometimes it would pop out of gear - mostly at the worst possible time. I assume that modern stuff is better in that regard.
Once upon an adventure me and my wife were many hours into the bush when we did some obstacles that managed to bend up the mounts for the transfer case on our Suzuki SJ-413 LWB. As a result it wouldn't stay in 4 low any more. I tried ratchet strapping the lever into 4 low but it wouldn't stay put. As a result my wife ended up having to be stooped over in the cab holding the lever forward for about half a day. It was a great view of my amazon for me but she wasn't too pleased about it. At least there was a simple thing we could do to stay in gear and not burn the clutch out of the machine.
Anyway, given a choice I'd prefer a lever but it wouldn't keep me from a vehicle that wasn't available with one.
Years ago I had a push button shifter Ford Bronco II. It was hit or miss whether that thing would shift into gear, which wasn't that bad in of itself. The issue was sometimes it would pop out of gear - mostly at the worst possible time. I assume that modern stuff is better in that regard.
Once upon an adventure me and my wife were many hours into the bush when we did some obstacles that managed to bend up the mounts for the transfer case on our Suzuki SJ-413 LWB. As a result it wouldn't stay in 4 low any more. I tried ratchet strapping the lever into 4 low but it wouldn't stay put. As a result my wife ended up having to be stooped over in the cab holding the lever forward for about half a day. It was a great view of my amazon for me but she wasn't too pleased about it. At least there was a simple thing we could do to stay in gear and not burn the clutch out of the machine.
Anyway, given a choice I'd prefer a lever but it wouldn't keep me from a vehicle that wasn't available with one.
Viggen
Just here...
It wasnt a personal attack but I guess it wasnt Expo touchy feely either. Its just a dumb thing to point out as a vehicular deficit. Switches are great things. Twist the dial and go back to work. Its like changing the radio station. Requires little to no effort and allows you to go about what you were doing. Yes, you will have to let go of the wheel but no, it does not require the attention that reaching down and pulling a lever does. Its also allows for a smaller hole in the body meaning less NVH as well as allowing for more interior leg room.
Yeah, the switching technology is not that of the 80s. Its rather instantaneous and works well. Not a single thing that detracts from it.
Clutch
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Here in SOAZ, would be able to use the removable top often, at least 6-7 months out of the year. Another friend has a nicely built JKU...I dig it. Too bad the 5.7 Hemi isn't an option though, unless you go the AEV route.
Not sure why Toyota doesn't offer a convertible option for the FJ, probably the same reasons we do not get diesels.
p nut
butter
Whether it's dumb or not, that's my opinion. Either way, "laziness" wins, because now it's got that dial.
As far as ease--I guess I fail to see how much harder it is to move a lever compared to a dial. My old J-Shift Tacoma took a second to shift to 4WD. My 4Runner took about the same amount of time (READ: Very insignificant amount of time and effort).But eventually, we'll all end up in hover-chairs, so doesn't matter.
Clutch
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I do it, let off the gas and push the clutch in. Less of a reach than tuning the radio.
Like using turning brakes in a VW buggy, yet different. :ylsmoke:
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My chevy 1 ton and fj are both levers, which I prefer. You can pull them into place cruising down the highway at 55. Switches are one more thing to go bad IMO. To me the best levers are on the jeep cherokees and tj wranglers.
Viggen
Just here...
Dont see the point to levers but definitely agree on this...
But eventually, we'll all end up in hover-chairs, so doesn't matter.
washington taco
Explorer
I agree I will be going this way if Toyota screws up the next gen Taco!
thedjjack
Dream it build it
Lever (yes a lever that pulls the gear so it works at -40...CLUNK)...no power anything, no rug, mechanical diesel, standard trans, no electronics, I can roll start and drive home...
Thanks anyhow, but for the price of new I can build nicer, more reliable, tougher....The only nice Toyota I have seen in years have been at the shipping yard for off road mine use...
Thanks anyhow, but for the price of new I can build nicer, more reliable, tougher....The only nice Toyota I have seen in years have been at the shipping yard for off road mine use...
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