Help me pick a handgun
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calamaridog
Expedition Leader
Hopefully you are getting a 9mm not a .380?
BKCowGod
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Of course... Look at that cheap ammo!
robert
Expedition Leader
The CZ82 is 9mm Makarov (9x18) NOT 9mm parabellum (9x19). Do not interchange the two! Incidentally, .380 is 9x17. A .380 conversion barrel is or at least used to be available but there's not much reason to buy one as the Mak ammo is more available than the .380 right now and lots cheaper.
I've had good luck with the Silver Bear ammo- every round of it I've shot has gone bang.
I've had good luck with the Silver Bear ammo- every round of it I've shot has gone bang.
BKCowGod
Automotive ADHD is fun!
Yah, as tempted as I am by thr $9/50rd Brown Bear, I figure I could pony up a little bit more and go for the good stuff. Any recommendations for load? Looks like 94 or 100gr are the two most common choices.
robert
Expedition Leader
It's a comm bloc gun, why not run commie ammo in it? For plinking, it's hard to beat. I've read where people have chrono'd it and said it has a bit more of a spread than say US ammo but nothing I would worry about. It's definitely not target grade ammo though. For social work/carry ammo the Hornady's JHP seem to be the hands down favorite. Whatever you decide on, buy several boxes and make sure it runs reliably with that ammo.
I've got a PA63 as a truck gun (they used to be $99 from J&G) which has an aluminum frame. It's not recommended to run anything over 94 grains or as hot as some of the newer loads so I haven't tried them; the Hornady's are 95gr. The CZ is a steel frame so you should have no issues with any of the heavier bullets available. I've got several boxes of the Silver Bear FMJ and several of the Silver Bear HPs and I've never had a problem with either. The HPs don't mushroom as pretty as a modern well designed JHP, but they do deform and in my nonscientific, nonprofessional testing the difference when shooting a gallon jug of water was obvious.
I've got a PA63 as a truck gun (they used to be $99 from J&G) which has an aluminum frame. It's not recommended to run anything over 94 grains or as hot as some of the newer loads so I haven't tried them; the Hornady's are 95gr. The CZ is a steel frame so you should have no issues with any of the heavier bullets available. I've got several boxes of the Silver Bear FMJ and several of the Silver Bear HPs and I've never had a problem with either. The HPs don't mushroom as pretty as a modern well designed JHP, but they do deform and in my nonscientific, nonprofessional testing the difference when shooting a gallon jug of water was obvious.
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BKCowGod
Automotive ADHD is fun!
And it is ordered!!! Full writeup will be posted. On an aside, I visited City Arms in Pacifica and Bay Area Gun Vault in Sunnyvale/Mt. View, and I emailed three or four different FFL's online. CA and BAGV treated me like trash because I didn't want to buy a new Sig or Les Baer 1911 from their shelves - and I initially walked in asking to see their used selection, NOT asking to do an FFL transfer! None of the FFL's bothered to respond to my emails at all (some as many as three months later!).
UG Imports (in Fremont) responded to my email in less than 30 minutes with a well-reasoned, clear, and very friendly and welcoming response. They also didn't tack any surcharge onto any of the mandatory fees, and they charged half of what the others were charging. Guess who's gonna get my business in the future?
UG Imports (in Fremont) responded to my email in less than 30 minutes with a well-reasoned, clear, and very friendly and welcoming response. They also didn't tack any surcharge onto any of the mandatory fees, and they charged half of what the others were charging. Guess who's gonna get my business in the future?
Fireman78
Expedition Leader
Hey I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I love you guys!
I just think these types of forums are funny because these are people's opinions. My OPINION is that CZ's are crap-ola. I feel the same way about EAA. (European American Arms).
I have been shooting pistols and other various weapons for my entire life. I have been a US Army Paratrooper, a State Policeman, and a farm boy, all equally good with guns.
It is my opinion that a 275 dollar piece of communist junk is just that...junk.. Hold one in your hands, shoot one, feel one, compare it to a nice, well made firearm.
Learn how to clear a stoppage though.
I also find it funny that it is perfectly acceptable to spend 2000 on a tent, 1000 on a fridge, 30K plus on a vehicle, 1400 on a set of tires, several grand on recovery gear, 2000 on a winch, ect... but when it comes to a small piece of equipment that can actually save your life in a split second, cheap is OK. I just don't get it.
I just think these types of forums are funny because these are people's opinions. My OPINION is that CZ's are crap-ola. I feel the same way about EAA. (European American Arms).
I have been shooting pistols and other various weapons for my entire life. I have been a US Army Paratrooper, a State Policeman, and a farm boy, all equally good with guns.
It is my opinion that a 275 dollar piece of communist junk is just that...junk.. Hold one in your hands, shoot one, feel one, compare it to a nice, well made firearm.
Learn how to clear a stoppage though.
I also find it funny that it is perfectly acceptable to spend 2000 on a tent, 1000 on a fridge, 30K plus on a vehicle, 1400 on a set of tires, several grand on recovery gear, 2000 on a winch, ect... but when it comes to a small piece of equipment that can actually save your life in a split second, cheap is OK. I just don't get it.
SunTzuNephew
Explorer
Something I was surprised at when I moved out of California....the people in gun shops in Arizona and Montana are actually friendly: A characteristic I rarely (if ever) saw at the shops I'd frequent in the Los Angeles area (Martin B. Retting, B&B when they were open, Kings Guns mostly).
I think thats because they are so imposed on by the state they feel like they're under attack, and respond to everyone like they're an agent of ATFE or the state trying to screw them over.
I don't know (myself) what the shops actually go through but I think that the successful shops would at least treat their customers or potential customers decently. And thats what I get, outside the Black Hole State.
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Scenic WonderRunner
Guest
I agree......
I would never even think of buying this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8CZ_vz._82
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg26-e.htm
How about we start to think about Buying American?
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Dave Bennett
Adventurist
Nothing wrong with CZ's or most eastern block/chicom weapons IMHO. In fact, the AK series is arguably the best mass produced military rifle ever.
That being said, American steel is what lives in my gun safe because that's what I choose to buy :ylsmoke:
YMMV
That being said, American steel is what lives in my gun safe because that's what I choose to buy :ylsmoke:
YMMV
BKCowGod
Automotive ADHD is fun!
Funny thing is, I held one in my hands and then I held a Glock 17 and I preferred the CZ. My concern wasn't with your opinion - I was looking for opinions. My request was for you to back up those opinions so I could know why you came to those conclusions, thereby contributing to the thread.
Yours still remains the single dissenting voice from anybody who has shot one of these guns. Based on the otherwise universally good reviews, I bought one and am fully expecting to enjoy it.
BKCowGod
Automotive ADHD is fun!
I would never limit myself to a single country. I buy German cars because they're the best. I buy American tools because they are the best.
Fireman78
Expedition Leader
Funny thing is... one of my favorite weapons I own is as American as apple pie. A Springfield XD 45. (made in Croatia!! .. NO KIDDING).. LOL
Hey if YOU like a particular weapon and YOU can shoot well with it and YOU are comfortable with it...., that's all that matters, really. :sombrero:
Hey if YOU like a particular weapon and YOU can shoot well with it and YOU are comfortable with it...., that's all that matters, really. :sombrero: