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Seriously, I've read your posts, consider moving if you are not happy where you are. Canada is a big country with a lot to offer. Come on out to BC. You can find almost any kind of community here and the AC guys have been going flat out since last year's heat dome.

On the Grenadier, I sure hope they're selling 'cause they took my deposit. Don't know what our country allocation is, if there is one. Might be only 50 for first year.

I haven't looked at service but I'm in the city so not too worried. Besides, for us if we proceed this would be more of a collector type car - the HJ60 I should have bought, the D90 my wife always wanted. I expect they'll sell enough similar novelty to get started. After that who knows, esp it being a new product with an ICE.
We have 12.5 more years of ICE sales, so if u get a new one next year, and the vehicle is commercial grade and meant to last 20+ years you could drive it well until they stop selling fuel for non commercial use. (Which I assume government would do first, as industry and farming probably won't be able to switch to electric as easily as consumers)
The idea of a commercial grade vehicle meant to last decades is the biggest appeal to me for this vehicle, but if it's orphaned by supply chain/support because Canada is too small a market, it doesn't matter.

I've been unable to convince my wife to move, and since she is the bread winner, she's in charge.
 
So Ineos won't be selling to the fleets over here; 2 outcomes from that: 1) No volume sales 2) Strong(er) residuals

Why won't they be selling to fleets? They won't be getting a 5* ANCAP crash rating due to not including a range of driver aids.

 
So Ineos won't be selling to the fleets over here; 2 outcomes from that: 1) No volume sales 2) Strong(er) residuals

Why won't they be selling to fleets? They won't be getting a 5* ANCAP crash rating due to not including a range of driver aids.

It sounds like they don’t really want to sell to fleets. I know it’s a totally different market down there, in the states fleet sales would be non existent anyways.
 
You make it sound as though that bc Ineos isn’t offering options of upsizing tires that doing so is somehow an exercise only in vanity. There are countless trails 20 minutes from my front door that 10” of ground clearance and 31” tires simply won’t cut it. You’ll end up high centered, with damaged parts, or having your buddy winch you every 10 minutes.

You can hate on “overlanders” all you want, but lots of people interested in the IG are out and about bc of their love of the activity of exploring and/or making their vehicles more capable and not for a sense of identity, not that there’s anything wrong with anyone doing what brings them happiness or they believe is necessary in their personal process of self-discovery. If big tires do it for you, you should get yourself some big tires.

Further, you conveniently left out one significant factor in the development of the IG, and that’s economics. You, and we, have no idea why they made the decisions they did. It’s a complex mix of application and utility across infinite use cases. I don’t disagree that a vehicle is often designed to operate with the equipment that comes on it from the manufacturer, but not ever vehicle is designed in that manner and I think many people expect the IG to be a platform for personalization that other vehicles are not.

Also, if 35s weren’t useful then IG wouldn’t have put them on for testing in Sweden and South Africa, two places which they publicized this kind of use. Who knows how many other locations they tested this in and whether they tested it as a potential offering or anticipating that people would make this very mod. Perhaps even Sir Jim himself.

I'm a little late to this party, but I couldn't agree more ABBB. I no longer have my JKU on 35s, and there are now a bunch of trails that are off-limits given my current rig (a 2017 Tacoma, 1.5 inch lift, 32-inch tires). I made the change for reasons that make sense for me - but I miss the access the JKU & 35s provided.

I also agree with another point you made: the decision by Ineos to sell the Grenadier on 265/70/R17 (31.5 inch tires) will have been influenced by many factors - it would be wrong to assume that the decision was driven by a determination that the 31.5 inch tire is the only tire-size anyone will ever need. Here is a Grenadier on 35s being tested in Iceland:

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I suspect that a significant factor with deciding on 31.5" tires stock is fuel economy requirements and safety standards. This is a vehicle that is ~5,700 lbs with the aerodynamics of a refrigerator and a 90l or 23.8 gallon fuel tank. Range is important, and if they threw 35s on it from the factory, I bet it would struggle to do more than 330 miles on a tank of gasoline. It may well struggle to achieve 330 miles of range with 31.5" tires particularly in a Wyoming headwind.

Regardless, it's nice to know it's been tested for 35s if that's what you need. I probably don't and am more interested in range. Also, with safety considerations such as rollover risk, pedestrian safety, bumper height etc. of the EU, North America, and Australia all having to be met simultaneously, it shouldn't be a surprise that smaller tires are going on the first deliveries.

I'm really hoping they come my way to Utah with their 2B prototype USA tour so I can see one in person. Right now they are only booking for the overloading meccas of Tampa and Miami.
 
I'm a little late to this party, but I couldn't agree more ABBB. I no longer have my JKU on 35s, and there are now a bunch of trails that are off-limits given my current rig (a 2017 Tacoma, 1.5 inch lift, 32-inch tires). I made the change for reasons that make sense for me - but I miss the access the JKU & 35s provided.

I also agree with another point you made: the decision by Ineos to sell the Grenadier on 265/70/R17 (31.5 inch tires) will have been influenced by many factors - it would be wrong to assume that the decision was driven by a determination that the 31.5 inch tire is the only tire-size anyone will ever need. Here is a Grenadier on 35s being tested in Iceland:

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I wouldn't say that 35" tires are exclusively an exercise in vanity. They do improve performance in technical off road sections. But I do note that they certainly are a predominantly North American practice, with an honorary nod to the Australians as 35" are catching on over there. Personally I've never been on a trail in North America that wasn't just a "challenge track" -- i.e. a rock garden that is intended for crawling through, usually in a loop, over a few hours or so, as distinct from a "through route" (which is typically the Overland application) -- where 35's were required. I've certainly been on a few where 35" would make the trip easier, but I don't mind getting out to winch or use the MaxTrax or be a bit more cautious on my lines. The 4wd24/7 folks on Youtube show this reality quite a bit -- some in their convoy will be on 35s, but others are on 32s, and all of them typically end up at the end of the trail one way or another, and that challenge faced by the smaller tired rigs is part of the fun.

My two cents as to why Ineos isn't offering them from factory (pure speculation, as others have said we have no idea what the full paradigms were for Ineos' decisions): For most of the world, the biggest tire you will typically see for a passenger vehicle rim in tire shops is 32". This reality can become a problem in remote parts of the world, where "odd" tire sizes are even more rare. I would wager that Ineos not offering a 35" tire from factory, but obviously testing with a 35" tire, is a recognition that some folks will want 35" tires, but for many folks, selling a 35" from factory would be contrary to the "you can fix it anywhere" ethos of the Grenadier. You can't fix it anywhere in the purest sense if you have to wait 6 weeks for the right sized tire to be shipped in, especially given how often off-road use will take out tires relative to on-road use. And, the overall use case of the vehicle isn't intended for "hard" off-road/rock-crawling. There are way better options already on the market for that that are compact, lightweight, with big wheels; the Gren is really designed more as a utility/touring wagon and has the size and weight to match, and if I need to winch a few times a year to get my touring wagon through highly technical sections, that's probably less of a disadvantage for my experiences off-road than the hit to fuel economy and other "cons" of a bigger tire, or by leaning the design more towards the extreme end of off-road performance.
 
I would, personally, not need 35s.
Where I go, mostly BLM other state / federal lands 32s are plenty enough... and to be honest will e enough for like 65% of the users. Not sure about Australia but I suspect they would need taller ones.

It would be nice to add some sort of a factory gas can or at very least a bracket to attach a gas can... In case they do not want to enlarge the gas tank.
Only annoying thing I find is the BWM shift stick. They should have design something more overlandish... something with a character to it.
 
It would be nice to add some sort of a factory gas can or at very least a bracket to attach a gas can... In case they do not want to enlarge the gas tank.
Only annoying thing I find is the BWM shift stick. They should have design something more overlandish... something with a character to it.

I understand that the exterior Utility Belt rails are rated for a few hundred pounds (it was in a video about a month ago) which would be more than strong enough to mount a gas can. Given they use an industry standard track material (L-Track, I think) that are used in ambulances and such, it should be very easy to mount up gas cans/find a bracket that will do the trick.

100% agreed on the shift knob; apparently (again, I think I heard this in a video a while back) there were extreme retooling costs or something with that so they are leaving as -is for the first run.
 

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