Land Rover ideas for Jeeps
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jscherb
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Need to carry more fuel? I've posted about the front fender jerry can mounts before in this thread, but I hadn't seen anything like the rooftop jerry can rack before. Looks like an interesting way to carry lots of extra fuel, although there probably isn't an expedition you could make in the continental US that would need that much extra. From the current issue of Land Rover Life:
Geared4adventure
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Hardtop Side Molle Panel
Next I installed a Molle panel. I used a panel that was part of the design and prototype work for the JKU cargo windows/hatches, it's inside the cargo compartment in this photo:
It's not exactly the right size for the exterior application but it's pretty close. Also it's got a cutout in it to clear the mounting bracket for the MORryde Overhead/Swing-Down Molle panel that mounts above the cargo area inside the Jeep (https://www.morryde.com/products/overhead-molle/). But it works fine for this prototype.
I mounted a Rotopax stud on the Molle panel.
The Rotopax above is enclosed in an insulated "InsulPax" bag. Rotopax fuel containers exposed to the sun and not manually vented regularly can experience extreme bulging that can lead to failure and the InsulPax bag pretty much controls the bulge. Here's an example:
In this photo a matching large Molle gear bag is also attached to the panel.
Two Rotopax can fit side by side on the panel, or two of the large Molle gear bags can fit side by side. BTW the gear bag is also designed to attach to the Insulpax Molle grid so they can be doubled up. Or other Molle pouches can be attached to the Insulpax as seen in the photo below.
This thread is incredible… just found it now, so many great ideas. You are a master Jscherb! Did you buy or make these Molle pouches? Looking to add some to the inside of an AluCabHardtop Side Molle Panel
Next I installed a Molle panel. I used a panel that was part of the design and prototype work for the JKU cargo windows/hatches, it's inside the cargo compartment in this photo:
It's not exactly the right size for the exterior application but it's pretty close. Also it's got a cutout in it to clear the mounting bracket for the MORryde Overhead/Swing-Down Molle panel that mounts above the cargo area inside the Jeep (https://www.morryde.com/products/overhead-molle/). But it works fine for this prototype.
I mounted a Rotopax stud on the Molle panel.
The Rotopax above is enclosed in an insulated "InsulPax" bag. Rotopax fuel containers exposed to the sun and not manually vented regularly can experience extreme bulging that can lead to failure and the InsulPax bag pretty much controls the bulge. Here's an example:
In this photo a matching large Molle gear bag is also attached to the panel.
Two Rotopax can fit side by side on the panel, or two of the large Molle gear bags can fit side by side. BTW the gear bag is also designed to attach to the Insulpax Molle grid so they can be doubled up. Or other Molle pouches can be attached to the Insulpax as seen in the photo below.
jscherb
Expedition Leader
Thank you very much for the kind words.
All of the MOLLE pouches in the posts you referenced are my designs except for the ones in green camo, those are military surplus. Some of them I designed and sewed and some I designed were adopted by Overland Outfitters and turned into products. You can check out https://www.overland-outfitters.com/ and you'll find a lot of them there.
The Rotopax insulated cover and the large companion pouch that goes with it I sewed for my own use and the ones in the photos are the only ones that exist, I did not suggest them to Overland Outfitters to become products.
Something I did design that is turning out to be popular with the camper crowd I call the Storage on the Spare System, these are weather-resistant bags that are designed to hang on the spare; OO tells me they've sold quite a few to the Sprinter crowd and they also say they've sold some of the Spareside bags (the smaller ones on the side of the spare in the photos below) to camper folks for use inside a camper - they are MOLLE bags and can hang many places inside a camper and are very handy. You can find them on the OO website as well.
OO is always looking for new product ideas and a lot of the things I design they pick up as products, so if you've got some good ideas for the camper crowd pass them along, maybe I could do some prototypes and get OO interested in some new product ideas.
Geared4adventure
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So cool. Really inspiring. I do have some ideas on the AluCab Canopy Camper on my Gladiator. The biggest thing I see is lots of wasted space for clothes that could double as back pillows for when you are sitting on the inside. I have been looking packing cubes but need to modify them for Molle.Thank you very much for the kind words.
All of the MOLLE pouches in the posts you referenced are my designs except for the ones in green camo, those are military surplus. Some of them I designed and sewed and some I designed were adopted by Overland Outfitters and turned into products. You can check out https://www.overland-outfitters.com/ and you'll find a lot of them there.
The Rotopax insulated cover and the large companion pouch that goes with it I sewed for my own use and the ones in the photos are the only ones that exist, I did not suggest them to Overland Outfitters to become products.
Something I did design that is turning out to be popular with the camper crowd I call the Storage on the Spare System, these are weather-resistant bags that are designed to hang on the spare; OO tells me they've sold quite a few to the Sprinter crowd and they also say they've sold some of the Spareside bags (the smaller ones on the side of the spare in the photos below) to camper folks for use inside a camper - they are MOLLE bags and can hang many places inside a camper and are very handy. You can find them on the OO website as well.
OO is always looking for new product ideas and a lot of the things I design they pick up as products, so if you've got some good ideas for the camper crowd pass them along, maybe I could do some prototypes and get OO interested in some new product ideas.
jscherb
Expedition Leader
This post isn't a Land Rover idea for a Jeep, but it fits better here than in my other threads.
I'm at Overland West and there are a surprising number of Ineos Grenadiers in various vendor booths - it seems the Grenadier is getting a great reception from the overlanding crowd.
Ineos is offering a drive on a test course and I took advantage of it. They've built a course consisting of steep climbs, high angle turns and a stretch of pretty extreme off-camber track. You do the first lap under the instruction of a professional driver, and the second lap he tells you to drive the course as you please. So of course on the second lap I took the most extreme line on each obstacle, figuring they wouldn't build an obstacle the Grenadier couldn't handle. On each high angle turn the line I took had the outer tires all the way at the top of the slope for maximum angle, etc.
Summary: the Grenadier makes my JKU feel like a soccer mom minivan. Just the other day I had the JKU on trails in Moab, so that experience is fresh in my mind to compare to the Grenadier. The Grenadier is very solid; it feels very stable at high camber angles and the hill descent control is excellent - really didn't need the brakes at all on any of the descents. Of course a short obstacle course isn't comprehensive enough for a full review of any vehicle but this short experience impressed me.
I've always said I would never buy a JL Wrangler because to me they seem to be straying further from their heritage with each generation and becoming more like soccer mom vehicles and I stand by that - the JKU is the latest model Jeep I'll ever own, and I don't really like that one either - I much prefer my LJ to the JKU.
But I will consider a Grenadier as my next vehicle. It is more true to overland/utility use than any of the Jeeps in my experience.
I'm at Overland West and there are a surprising number of Ineos Grenadiers in various vendor booths - it seems the Grenadier is getting a great reception from the overlanding crowd.
Ineos is offering a drive on a test course and I took advantage of it. They've built a course consisting of steep climbs, high angle turns and a stretch of pretty extreme off-camber track. You do the first lap under the instruction of a professional driver, and the second lap he tells you to drive the course as you please. So of course on the second lap I took the most extreme line on each obstacle, figuring they wouldn't build an obstacle the Grenadier couldn't handle. On each high angle turn the line I took had the outer tires all the way at the top of the slope for maximum angle, etc.
Summary: the Grenadier makes my JKU feel like a soccer mom minivan. Just the other day I had the JKU on trails in Moab, so that experience is fresh in my mind to compare to the Grenadier. The Grenadier is very solid; it feels very stable at high camber angles and the hill descent control is excellent - really didn't need the brakes at all on any of the descents. Of course a short obstacle course isn't comprehensive enough for a full review of any vehicle but this short experience impressed me.
I've always said I would never buy a JL Wrangler because to me they seem to be straying further from their heritage with each generation and becoming more like soccer mom vehicles and I stand by that - the JKU is the latest model Jeep I'll ever own, and I don't really like that one either - I much prefer my LJ to the JKU.
But I will consider a Grenadier as my next vehicle. It is more true to overland/utility use than any of the Jeeps in my experience.
jscherb
Expedition Leader
I didn't notice if it had one but a well-equipped Grenadier will cost you at least $90k, I've been pricing the various packages and options
jscherb
Expedition Leader
After doing the drive in the Grenadier, I took my wife over to the Ineos booth so she could see the Grenadier. She's said she really likes the look of the vehicle but I wanted her to sit in it to see if she found it comfortable. She didn't like the interior experience at all. First, she had trouble getting in - she's about 5'6" and found the grab handles inconveniently placed for someone her size. But she really didn't like the size of the seat - it's a lot narrower than the seats in the JKU. The main reason is the extreme width of the center console, which you can see in the photo below of a RHD Grenadier I found on the web. As a passenger she likes to sit cross-legged on long trips and really can't do that in these seats. She talked about how disappointed she was all day long. I agree with her that the seats are quite narrow, but as a driver I found that they held me in place nicely. As a passenger, she hates them. Since we do a lot of long-distance driving (the JKU now has 308,000 miles on it), the seats may rule out the Grenadier for us.
jscherb
Expedition Leader
Yesterday I stopped by the Ineos booth with a few Overland Outfitters products to see how they might fit in the Grenadier. The Ineos folks were very friendly and interested in the products so they seemed happy to let me try them out in the Grenadier.
The first thing I tried was OO's Grab Bar Pockets. The Grenadier grab bar is quite a bit narrower than the ones in the various Wranglers, so it didn't fit so well, you can see in the photo that the back is a little bunched up. If I grab the bar with both hands, my hands pretty much fill the width of the bar. I let OO know about the difference and they said they'll make a prototype with a narrower rear attachment for the Grenadier.
Then I tried a few of OO's seat back products; these attach with a zipper that's captured by the headrest posts. These fit perfectly.
OO also has a bunch of products which aren't vehicle specific and those should be of interest to Grenadier people as well (https://www.overland-outfitters.com/camping--expedition.html#/ ), after reporting my testing to them it sounds like they'll be getting into the Grenadier market.
The first thing I tried was OO's Grab Bar Pockets. The Grenadier grab bar is quite a bit narrower than the ones in the various Wranglers, so it didn't fit so well, you can see in the photo that the back is a little bunched up. If I grab the bar with both hands, my hands pretty much fill the width of the bar. I let OO know about the difference and they said they'll make a prototype with a narrower rear attachment for the Grenadier.
Then I tried a few of OO's seat back products; these attach with a zipper that's captured by the headrest posts. These fit perfectly.
OO also has a bunch of products which aren't vehicle specific and those should be of interest to Grenadier people as well (https://www.overland-outfitters.com/camping--expedition.html#/ ), after reporting my testing to them it sounds like they'll be getting into the Grenadier market.
4wdswagman
Wanderer
Seems doable.
My Mrs recently purchased a gasoline engined MY2013 JKU and we are currently also exploring how to carry NATO or Scepter jerry cans. I daily drive a diesel ex-army Land Rover 110 Perentie RFSV remote area recon variant which has the ability to carry 12 jerrycans in various racks as well as a row of 5 more in the cargo bed. We are looking at the Jeep being able to carry a few jerrycans too - although maybe a maximum of 6-8.
The Jeep already has a dual jerrycan carrier on its swing-away spare wheel carrier (Smittybilt Atlas?), so that's 2.
The vehicle is fitted with a full size Frontrunner roof rack, so we could purchase 2 Frontrunner horizontal double jerrycan holders for the roof rack, so that would be 6 total. Not sure how I feel about having up to an extra 80kg on the roof though. I prefer a lower centre of gravity. And we haven't yet worked out where the second spare wheel would be carried and the roof rack is the top contender for carrying that as well.
The vehicle is fitted with a snorkel on the (Australian) driver's side where those cool side mounted jerrycan carriers usually go. Does anyone make any jerrycan carriers for the side of the hard top to replace the windows similar to a new Defender? Seems that would be a good spot.
In a fever dream I also had visions of a special set of racks to allow carriage of 4 x jerrycans flat on the hood like a WWII LRDG jeep and in a separate fever dream, I had a vision of horizontal jerrycan carriers bolted to aftermarket flat front fenders.
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ZONE ZERO
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I came up with a solution carry a jerry on the hard top side I’ll message you with some details.
jscherb
Expedition Leader
Why don't you post it here? I'm sure others would be interested.
ZONE ZERO
Active member
i didn’t want to hijack your thread with my build stuff.
ill write it up and get some pictures tomorrow.
I have some new things I’m working on for the storage problems I’m having , I ordered a side mounted box like a land rover would have with a flip down table I’m fitting this weekend.
but my rear hatch/barn door and roll cage plans are soaking up a lot of my time.
ill write it up and get some pictures tomorrow.
I have some new things I’m working on for the storage problems I’m having , I ordered a side mounted box like a land rover would have with a flip down table I’m fitting this weekend.
but my rear hatch/barn door and roll cage plans are soaking up a lot of my time.