Lightforce 140s for ON and OFF Road??

[craig333]

The bulbs are less than 4 buck by mail. They have a rated lifespan of either 1000 hours or 2000 depending on the filament orientation which is excellent. The hella 4000s are nice, I'd love to have a set but they aren't cheap and I'd cry if one of those shattered.

I'm a lightaholic. I love lights. Flashlights, headlights, off road lights, big huge stadium lights etc. I have to stay away from CPF, I just want to buy another flashlight and I have plenty. Kinda the same with off road lights. Hard to be happy with what I have.

 

[off-roader]

The hella 4000s are nice, I'd love to have a set but they aren't cheap and I'd cry if one of those shattered.

The 4000's are as low as US$225 & up per pair (see amazon/ebay) depending on the beam pattern or if Halogen versus HID. Aren't the comparable Light Force models (240 Blitz?) that much as well? Plus they're metal versus plastic.

 

[craig333]

Stop trying to tempt me
Metal isn't that big a draw to me, but thats probably because I'm old. First off road lights I had were KC daylighters. They rusted like crazy. Plus I found out the hard way spots aren't the way to go unless you go very fast and have lots of them.

 

[craig333]

Keep in mind if you want the Hella 4000s, there are many variations. From $125 a piece up to thousands.

http://www.rallylights.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=494

http://www.rallylights.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=340

And please note, Hella has jumped on the color bandwagon also. http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=4268

 

[off-roader]

Keep in mind if you want the Hella 4000s, there are many variations. From $125 a piece up to thousands.

To be sure we understand about hella 4000 pricing...
This is a current Ebay Buy Now auction. The price you see is what you'd pay for them. Keep in mind this seller is also making money on the shipping but combined a pair of lights is less than $200.

:Wow1::Wow1::Wow1:

 

[AlexJet]

Stop trying to tempt me
Metal isn't that big a draw to me, but thats probably because I'm old. First off road lights I had were KC daylighters. They rusted like crazy. Plus I found out the hard way spots aren't the way to go unless you go very fast and have lots of them.

Hella 4000 body is metal, but its some sort of an alloy which is not rusting. I do have 4000s and harsh Canadian climate with 6 month of snow and VERY salty roads they've bombed with salt, chips, rocks and ice blocks from the road and whatever is driving on them. They still in great shape and even they've been scratched at spots where mesh grille is attached (I'm taking them off and on often to clean the ice and wash the from road debries), they do not have any rust spot after 5 years of usage. Just a side note...
In Canada they are ~$150 a piece for Euro. Light Force 240 are over $500 for pair.

 

[Rattler]

Hella 4000 body is metal, but its some sort of an alloy which is not rusting. I do have 4000s and harsh Canadian climate with 6 month of snow and VERY salty roads they've bombed with salt, chips, rocks and ice blocks from the road and whatever is driving on them. They still in great shape and even they've been scratched at spots where mesh grille is attached (I'm taking them off and on often to clean the ice and wash the from road debries), they do not have any rust spot after 5 years of usage. Just a side note...
In Canada they are ~$150 a piece for Euro. Light Force 240 are over $500 for pair.

ONe of the reasos I like the LFs is that I don't have to ever worry about them rusting like everything else here in MI does.

I noticed the prices for the 240 Blitzs are @ $250 now at several places. They are getting tempting.

 

[craig333]

To be sure we understand about hella 4000 pricing...
This is a current Ebay Buy Now auction. The price you see is what you'd pay for them. Keep in mind this seller is also making money on the shipping but combined a pair of lights is less than $200.

:Wow1::Wow1::Wow1:

Just keep in mind thats for the basic light. Not the FF version, the xenon version, the compact version, etc.

 

[milo12]

As far as I can tell from the Hella site all are FF technology.

http://www.myhellalights.com/halogen_lamps/Rallye_4000_Black.html

Amazon has the Euro for $110.

 

[duner]

As far as I can tell from the Hella site all are FF technology.

http://www.myhellalights.com/halogen_lamps/Rallye_4000_Black.html

Amazon has the Euro for $110.

They still use fluting in the lens to diffuse the light... Kinda beats the purpose of FF. They still work really well and are efficient.

 

[off-roader]

They still use fluting in the lens to diffuse the light... Kinda beats the purpose of FF. They still work really well and are efficient.

Although the documentation indicates that it's a Free Form reflector, it doesn't seem as though the Hella 4000's use traditional FF technology as I've seen it but perhaps a call to Hella might shed more light here.

The lights I showed were a cornering pattern hence the reason for the highly fluted lens. If you look at other patterns the fluting changes dramatically.

There are other 4000's for similar prices but that one was by far the lowest I've seen in a while. Most are $200 & up for a pair. For example, just checking tonight I found $210 Euro beams, $210 Cornering beams, $210 Pencil beams, etc.

As for the casing, Hella's site says it's Aluminum which can oxidize but perhaps not as rapidly as a ferrous based metal.

 

[Hilldweller]

In anticipation of the upcoming OJ shootout, this is what empirical test data looks like for lighting; note that my beloved Hellas performed the worst in their peer group:

 

[R_Lefebvre]

How do you conclude the Hella's are the worst? Just based on Maximum candela and Flux. Looks like they make great spot lights, if that's what you wanted. In fact, they might be better because of it. When you need highbeam lighting, because you're obviously driving at a higher speed, foreground lighting is useless, and actually detrimental to your long range visibility. The Hellas wouldn't light up the ground and nearby ditches and trees as much as the others. That's why it's silly to drive around with your crappy OEM "foglights" on, because all they do is light up the ground 20 feet in front of the vehicle which... at any speed, you can't do anything about things 20 feet in front of you. Yet, that light causes your pupils to contract just that little bit much more, which means your long range visibility is reduced.

 

[Hilldweller]

How do you conclude the Hella's are the worst? Just based on Maximum candela and Flux. Looks like they make great spot lights, if that's what you wanted. In fact, they might be better because of it. When you need highbeam lighting, because you're obviously driving at a higher speed, foreground lighting is useless, and actually detrimental to your long range visibility. The Hellas wouldn't light up the ground and nearby ditches and trees as much as the others. That's why it's silly to drive around with your crappy OEM "foglights" on, because all they do is light up the ground 20 feet in front of the vehicle which... at any speed, you can't do anything about things 20 feet in front of you. Yet, that light causes your pupils to contract just that little bit much more, which means your long range visibility is reduced.

These were tests of headlights though...

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Oh. Well, I'd still prefer to see this done as an ISOlux, overhead like these: