Lipstick on a Pig: The 10 Don'ts of Vehicle Modifications

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
...Anecdote: just attended Cruise Moab where the trail rides as you know are much more closely packed and where honestly CB would be fine. I was in a vehicle with CB and we were mostly in the minority of the other hams, it is mainstream...

On our CM11 SRS Overnighter I would guess that estimate that nearly 2/3 of our participants (~25 rigs) had 2M. While I love CB for what it is and still think it has its place... I do look forward to the day when 2M reaches that status within our ranks (I don't care where the rest of society is ********-chatting ;)). It used to be that we place a 2M rig at waist and tail and they could relay start to finish. It wasn't nearly the issue this time and I think as years go on more will invest in the system.

On that note I have done long range trips where all or most of the participants were using 2M, it as honestly very refreshing and rarely were we 'out of touch' even when our front to back spread was reaching 5-10 minutes.

To contrast that on another recent long range trip (SL to Reno on the Pony Express Trail) the majority of the group was using CB and we were severely impacted by the range at times. When your traveling several hundred miles per day getting spaced out often is not only the norm but appropriate... we would have to stop and wait until they got back into CB range to get updates from the back.
 

Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
FCC only mandates antenna rules on FRS. GMRS does not have that mandate as I read, just no manufacturer making GMRS mobile units as most likely believe the only money is in bubble-pack Chinese FRSs.
 

mkitchen

Explorer
Just curious, Scott

So where does a fellow mount a ham radio on a camel? I don't even want to think about where you would have to plug it in.

I have a small hand held CB that plugs into a 12v plug and I hook it to an external antenna. It works fine when I am with a group but I am going to a ham for those times when I am by myself and get into a sutuation that I am not able to get out of.

Even if you talk to someone who is 100 miles away, the radio folks that I have talked with will bend over backwards to get help to you. A good reason, in my mind, for having the ham radio. I was supposed to take the tech test last Saturday but had to work but I plan on testing soon. As far as costs go, that ham radio may be a fellow's best tool to get out of a problem and worth the money.
Mikey
 

Charo

Observer
When I lead groups out, I am always amazed at how well the guys that have 100% stock vehicles do!
I have often questioned why I spent so much money on all these modifications when 90% of the time the stock vehicles make the grade without help!

Thanks,
Fred
Explorer 1

I agree. I spent 5 years driving around East Africa in a stock BJ-73 and LR 110 with nary a problem getting where I wanted to go. 80% of that driving was on bush roads or tracks. Only time I got stuck and had to be pulled out was in my driveway during rainy season. Upgrades are nice, but not always necessary for overland travel.
 

NothingClever

Explorer
I agree. I spent 5 years driving around East Africa in a stock BJ-73 and LR 110 with nary a problem getting where I wanted to go. 80% of that driving was on bush roads or tracks. Only time I got stuck and had to be pulled out was in my driveway during rainy season. Upgrades are nice, but not always necessary for overland travel.

But, if you didn't dress up in ExOfficio clothes, it wasn't authentic. Especially so if you didn't have zippers on your pant legs. So, you have to go back and properly dress up. You need several thousands of dollars in other doo-dads, too. Oh, last thing....don't forget your HAM radio. They're having a special sale on replica model HAM radios from the Pizarro expedition (1502) at the gift shop at the National Museum in Spain.

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burn_e

Adventurer
I agree. I spent 5 years driving around East Africa in a stock BJ-73 and LR 110 with nary a problem getting where I wanted to go. 80% of that driving was on bush roads or tracks. Only time I got stuck and had to be pulled out was in my driveway during rainy season. Upgrades are nice, but not always necessary for overland travel.

Here two of the expedition / safari vehicle encountered last week in Kenya.

You should have seen were the guide was driving in (and out again) with the Nissan Minibus.

What you see is minor mods!

Animal protection, commercial grade tyres, pop up roof, cargo barrier, cooler box and a long range radio. Done!
 

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WCO

It's Lil' Willi
Has everyone forgot about instant mudding capabilities of the south, which you only can aquire by the flying, or haning, or sticking of a conferderate flag on your vehicle.....it'll make a civic finish the baja!

Thanks guys, I just wasted an hour at work perusing through this thread and got quite the chuckle....I agree that most bolt-ons are useless other than for looks...but hey....I still catch my self checking out Pamela Anderson.......:) Cheers!
 

Quill

Adventurer
Personally I think the dumbest thing to do to a vehicle is putting on stuff because everyone says you need it. Find out for yourself. Next dumbest thing is getting your ideas from the mall parking lot. Not to say you can't get good advice from others and once in a while you might see a good item in a mall parking lot. To many think they have to make a SPOA conversion, have monstrous tires, special axles because that's what everyone says. They spend most of their time and money in a constant flux keeping up with everyone they end up with very little non pavement time. Breaking stuff is the highlight of the trip so they can brag about it till they can break something else. Spend wisely and go have fun in the dirt.
 

Buliwyf

Viking with a Hammer
My Ten don'ts:
1. Don't take product advice from someone who has never used or owned said product. Most often noticed in locker discussions.

2. Don't buy a winch without having $3000 in your pocket. Winch is pretty useless without all the support equipment. Gloves, mount, batteries, hilift jack, shovel, another shovel, 4x4 wood boards or ramps, snatch block, shackles, more cable/rope. Seen too many people who can only afford the winch, and skimp on good exposion proof shackles. Usually the same newbs who don't hang anything on the cable.

3. Wheels bigger than 18"

4. Lifts too high, and or tires too big.

5. Big tires, little gears.

6. Too many lights pointing forward. None pointing sideways, none pointing rearwards, none under the hood.

7. Snorkle, but no raised fuel tank vents, axle vents, trans vents.

8. Cheap rocker armor will just increase the damage your truck recieves at the rockers, use strong rocker armor if you need it, not cheapo bolt on garbage. (Unless your particular trucks bolt on stuff is strong enough, I've only seen welded on custom jobs that could support the weight.

9. Huge Yakima baskets. Ladder racks are alot cheaper and sturdier.

10. Wrong tires for application.


Some comments after reading this thread:
-learning about ham radios is a nightmare. The internet just sends a newb running in circles. Most ham forums can't answer the simplest questions. "Can I use a ham to talk to CB users?" "Exactly where do I go to get licensed?" "Can someone give an exact list of a good starting setup under $1000?" "What type of mobile antennaes can I use?" "Does John Wayne like beans in his chili?"

I'll stick with CB's for now. And who deosn't have a linear these days? Allthough when using two good radios and our cell phones for testing. If our radios were really good, custom tuned Galaxy etc. etc., we noticed allmost no increase in range or clear reception with the linear amps on. Usually the radio started to drop off at nearly the same range for all practical purposes as a well setup stock radio with a big whip.

Plenty of truck drivers have called my radio a nice "ham" after a radio check. It's not, it's just setup correctly. I also like Wilson and long whip antennaes.

-good lord I'm sick of diamond plate
-diesel stacks are great for covering your entire truck bed in messy carbon. So much for keeping gear or bikes in the bed. it would be impossible to go on a single expo trip without looking like a coal miner.

-Winches are scary. Why do people assume that because they have a winch that they don't need a shovel, ramps/boards, or hilift anymore? A snapped cable is worse than an angry Chimp with an AK47. Especially fullsize trucks that can really vacuum themselfs to the bottom of a mudhole. I love youtube vids of people ripping off another truck axle from improper winching. Also, I never have any trees or rocks capable of holding up to winch forces nearby. Usually just small trees. Getting the hilift jack out to get stuff under my tires is quicker than burying my spare wheel for a winch anchor. Sometimes a little time spent with a shovel can be the difference between tugging with 5000 pounds of force on your line, and 10,000. I'd rather not max out the potential energy of a 15,000 pound winch ever. It would be safer to paint a grenade neon green like a tennis ball and let my golden retriever paly with it around the camp fire.

-I disagree about armor. I love it, but can't afford the good stuff, so I use it sparingly under my tank. But if you can afford the good stuff, more power to you. I've seen some Road Armor and Fab Fours bumpers take some huge hits. I think the frame would bend before some of those bumpers. I'd love a Road Armor front bumper, we have 10 times more deer in my area than the Auzzies have roo's. I see one run across my path 3 times a week this time of year.

-I like mild lifts so I can cross a road side ditch. But other than that, usually a 1" spacer in the front of a pickup, decent tires, and a Detroit locker in the rear will get me just about anywhere. It rare for me to recommend anything over 3-4" of lift.

-I love Hilift jacks and the wheel strap tool. I just jack up by the wheel and stuff some wood under. I also use it to lift trailers up to my hitch when one of my other field techs parked that trailer in a way that I can't get the trailer jack low or high enough to hitch up. problem solved in 1 minute with a hilift. And when one of my work trucks gets stuck in a field. It's usually only stuck 2" deep. I can jack up off my hitch, thenjust shove the truck over and let the jack kick out. Do that a couple times, and I'm over onto a harder patch of earth and can drive away.
 
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bfdiesel

Explorer
I will just take my cell phone out with me and not worry about a ham radio. Yes there are dead spots, but I can hike to the top of a mountain and get a call out if needed. Plus emergency response can get my coordinates and not have to rely on me telling them where I am at. If that isn't good enough then there is Spot that uses satillites to get your call for help out no license or skill required therefore you can put all your effort into staying alive or keeping some one else alive instead of hoping some one else has a radio on and is willing to help.
 

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
I will just take my cell phone out with me and not worry about a ham radio. Yes there are dead spots, but I can hike to the top of a mountain and get a call out if needed. Plus emergency response can get my coordinates and not have to rely on me telling them where I am at. If that isn't good enough then there is Spot that uses satillites to get your call for help out no license or skill required therefore you can put all your effort into staying alive or keeping some one else alive instead of hoping some one else has a radio on and is willing to help.

Gotta ask, do you own a Spot?

I don't need a SAR team to respond just to find out I have a broken control arm 10 miles from cell reception ;)

No single device is the right answer, simple as that. Think beyond emergency communications... what about simply communicating with your group out on the trail? Lemme guess your recommending NexTel :D

CB radios obviously work for short ranges, but that's just it... short ranges particularly in varied terrain. This is where HAM's shine for me, the ability to reliably talk to vehicles in our convoy not just 2-3 miles away but 10-15 miles away and in the deep canyons of Southern Utah. The ability to hit a repeater and talk to folks back home is just icing on the cake.
 

corax

Explorer
I will just take my cell phone out with me and not worry about a ham radio. Yes there are dead spots, but I can hike to the top of a mountain and get a call out if needed. Plus emergency response can get my coordinates and not have to rely on me telling them where I am at. If that isn't good enough then there is Spot that uses satillites to get your call for help out no license or skill required therefore you can put all your effort into staying alive or keeping some one else alive instead of hoping some one else has a radio on and is willing to help.

Just a point of interest if you get into trouble and only have a cell phone in an area with poor/no coverage - send a text. The phone will keep trying to send it until the entire message gets through, and it uses less power doing this than a regular call. Oh, and don't count on the cell company being able to get a fix on your cell location - it doesn't always work in real life like it does on tv.
 

bfdiesel

Explorer
The cell has built in GPS for that very reason. I avoid going out alone and am always within hand held radio distance of my buddy. Yes I was a boy scout the buddy system is king. No I don't have a Spot everywhere I have been I have been able to get up high enough to call out.

It hasn't happened to me, but dad had to call out when one of his hunters came off a horse and broke his back. He had his GPS and SAR flew the chopper right in to an open area close to get the guy out. Response was awesome. It would have been hours if cell service wasn't as good as it was. Service out here is even better now.

I do not have nex tel nor have I heard of it. Look for a carrier that has towers in and around where you want to be.

I feel that I need to state I am thinking emergency call outs not assistance calls. Assistance is why I have a buddy.
 

craig333

Expedition Leader
Dont assume every cell phone has gps. Lots don't. Ham is great depending on where you are. One of my favorite areas has no repeater coverage. Pays to have more than one way to get out in an emergency.
 

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
... Look for a carrier that has towers in and around where you want to be.

Your proving my point... There are still plenty of areas in the west that lack cell coverage, mountain top or not ;) Remember, what works for you won't always be the best solution for the next guy.

... I feel that I need to state I am thinking emergency call outs not assistance calls. Assistance is why I have a buddy.

Oh, so your buddy has a ham... I get it ;)

What happens if you and your buddy separated? Climb to peaks and call eachother on the phone ?
 

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