Living in a Shipping Container...

toy_tek

Adventurer
Yeah, initially the green roof idea sort of popped into my head as a possible solution to the ceiling insulation issue... but then yesterday upon further reading I realized the container roofs aren't built to handle weight distributed across it like that. So much for that...

I've just recently started teaching myself how to use Google Sketchup. I can't recall which website I saw yesterday, but they actually implied that Sketchup worked better for container design than a CAD program. Either way, it seems like a cool (and sometimes fun) method to visualize ideas.

I like the idea of using two containers spaced apart, and I'm even considering just using 20' containers. The area in between might be enclosed but utilize glass garage doors so as to open it up during mild weather. All depending on $$, of course.
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
Addictively frustrating...

Sketchup is neat. But being one that is laughably unskilled with computers I find it aggrivating. I can do a little but never seem to be able to get it to really do what I want. But it helps me get the basics there so I can visualize stuff. As I play with it more I hope I will get better but I fear it is one of those things in life that really, REALLY requires reading the directions!:Wow1:
I downloaded a model someone else had done that is real close to what I am thinking. It shows two 40HC containers with perhaps 16 feet inbetween? There is essentually three seperate rooflines. A shed style covering each container and a traditional gable roof over the area inbetween. The gable style roof is raised for the second story and drains down towards each of the shed roofs. Sort of like an old barn? While the general shape and concept is what I am liking there are two flaws with the model as is.
This was created to simulate a timber framed house. A blend of two ISBUs and large beams and posts to create the wooden structures. All the timber is joined with large steel plates and brackets. Its cool, and I dig the look..but timber framing is expensive in areas where one can not clear their own land to provide the wood. I do like it...but I will continue to play with alternitives. Maybe I can find a way to blend traditional framing methods, then cover them in a way to attain the timber frame look?
The second issue with the provided/downloaded model is scale. I got to playing with it and tried to add interior and exterior doors only to discover that the connexes are only like 5 feet tall!!!
uh....oops!
But it does help me play with thoughts. Another step will be buying some model railroad scale connexes to use as hands on modeling aids. I may even break out the old plastic model stuff from way back when and try to make a diorama of the house. Similar to what architechts do...sort of.?.
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
Thermal paint and stuff...

Also wanted to add a response about thermal paint. Someone here earlier mentioned it and I wanted to offer my opinion. My thought is that if your gonna leave the ISBU exposed to view then it is a viable option to use it. Being that the concept originated and was partially develloped by and for NASA...it has merit. How much is yet to be truly decided. But in a nutshell it is a paint with miniscule ceramic spheres in it that are excellent at managing how heat is conducted and or distributed. here is one example...
http://www.hytechsales.com/index.html
And while this may perform well for a house that is more like a cabin...or a workshop? I don't know that it would be sufficent for a full time dwelling in an area that sees extreme seasons? Nothing to base that on other than my own thoughts.
Having to ocasionally spend several hours at a time inside a Connex here in Iraq I can attest that ANYTHING that will help would be welcome in the summer! It was about 120 last week with a small dose of "humidity". The "feels like" temp was about 136...as in that is what it feels like. INSIDE the connex I would guess the temp to be just north of 170. I don't have a thermometer here that reads past 110 so it is only a guess. I can say that it feels like one is cooking in there...literally! Would thermal paint help? Maybe...Sure couldn't hurt.
But...I wouldn't rely on the thermal paint to do it all. Which leads to the next area of discussion...
Insulation.
If one paints the outside then the normal logic would place the insulation inside...in a more traditional home manner. But we are dealing with rectangular cubes here...and any additional stuff added to the inside means less living area and a smaller home. So what do you do?
Well, I have been thinking of putting the insulation on the outside. Namely...applying two part, DIY, closed cell spray foam. Anyone seen the cans of "Great stuff" or other expanding foam available at the home stores (and many other places)? Basically the same idea. But in a DIY applicator since buying oh...10,000 cans of spray foam seems like it would be very expensive, wasteful, and difficult! But there are "kits" available to purchase your own deal. like this...
http://www.touch-n-seal.com/refillablefoamsystems_residential.htm
And while I can only imagine that it is expensive to start up/buy in...My hope is that after I apply it liberally to my own house that maybe I will have other friends doing something similar and I can offset some of the cost by sharing it with them...?
But this stuff is cool. Works great and does an outstanding job of both temp and noise control. And since I don't really go for the modern styling or industrial look of an ISBU, my home will be sheathed, over this insulation, with hardi-panels or hardi-plank. It will resemble more of an old farm house or cabin...which for me is what I would call home.
 

bucketosudz

Explorer
Love the dialogue of alternative housing! I too have looked into Container homes, Silo homes and the like. We had a project in one of my Art courses that forced us to utilize all of the facets of the earths elements. It was entertaining and reflective at best. All said, I would really like to start out in a 30' Yurt/Ger!
 

Rosco862003

Adventurer
I too have been looking at container homes, not that I am moving into anything else soon, but from a designer standpoint and have been impressed with what I've seen. Yes it does get expensive to move these things but say if you live in a city like Long Beach, Charleston or perhaps New Oreleans I think your onto something. Take New Orleans for example which has thousands of these things stacked up around its ports. These can be made to stand up to any hurricane that comes in its path, maybe not buick thats hurtling at 130 mph towards the structure, but it will stand up to the wind and rain. I think these should definitley get more consideration in that particular area considering construction is fast and can sometimes be up to 50% cheaper. These things are made to be waterproof and can be stacked 8 high. I have come up with various floorplans utilizing these and so far have been impressed with waht I can squeeze into 2 or even 3 containers. Is it a viable choice for everyone. Obviously not but neither is an adobe house in Buffalo, New York.

As far as roof insulation goes, I have heard of people going the old Land Rover series II route and utilizing two roofs with space in between to buffer some of the sun. Another good website to check out is www.fabprefab.com .
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
What a waste...

Without going into political or other muddy waters of personal beliefs...I want to mention that I find it sad that the potential of ISBUs are being ignored. You kinda hit it on the head Rosco. There are piles (literally) just wasting away in port cities all over the world. And while this is not mine, or even a new idea...imagine the impact of manufacturing these into small, mobile cabins?
Take Hati as an example. Its an island....duh. Sometimes mother nature decides to vent her wrath on the small islands. Its nothing new. Been around long before people arrived to witness it. So why does it come as such a shock when it happens and people become displaced?
Its a poor country. Ok...Got that. People living in squawler and cardboard huts. That will hold up well to a dose of mother nature.NOT.
So a disaster occurs and its the rest of the world to the rescue. Usually led (don't mean to sound flippant) by the US and its tax dollars and donations. So the cry goes out and hundreds of Red Cross and military and humanitarian aid groups all descend upon this little island to try and help. They bring medical supplies and food and water and tents...Tents? Uh, yeah. Ok, the idea is to get the people out of the elements ASAP. I got that too. But...once the media spotlight has moved off to follow more worty drama...and the Helpers all pack up and head home..what have we left them with? Well, more temp. shelter that may barely last until the next major flare up of weather gone angry.
So what if...Someone designed a way to house a couple families within a 20 foot Connex? Oh, thats been done. Ok...So suppose instead of buying tents...all this money that gets wasted for a temp. solution is invested into a more perminant solution? The mass production of ISBU huts to house these folks that choose to live in the line of fire. At least that way we don't find ourselves having to run to their aid every single time a bad stom blows half the populations "house" away! Heck, who knows...maybe by building a mess of these things and dropping them off, Hati could begin to advance?? Crazy thought I know...but perhaps you give them something perminant to take pride in and they will slowly find the strength to improove their lives..?
Just an odd, random thought...
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
Not so great...

Being around those OKtrucks here all the time I have to say that as an RV or mobile home they wouldn't be all that great. Depending on how often one moves it would be very expensive. 2-6MPG if your lucky and a top speed of about 62mph. And while they are cool in the "Zombies be damned, post appocoliptic war wagon mentality...Practicallity is low. Only someone like the US Govt could possibly afford to fuel and repair these monsters. Use them to much, the wear parts. Let them sit to long and stuff breaks on its own. And compared to their grandfathers...these vehicles are a lot more complex and computerized. Funny...about the only thing they didn't work to improove was the comfort level of the cab...or lack there of!
And they don't self-unload so the "house" will be stuck on it if you don't have a forklift,crane, or Kalimar standing by.
 

Fireman78

Expedition Leader
Well, I'm still selling 6 acres In Edgewood, NM if anyone needs a place to put a shipping container home. $57,000 gets you in! Water and electric to prop line. :coffeedrink:
 

trump

Adventurist
Being around those OKtrucks here all the time I have to say that as an RV or mobile home they wouldn't be all that great. Depending on how often one moves it would be very expensive. 2-6MPG if your lucky and a top speed of about 62mph. And while they are cool in the "Zombies be damned, post appocoliptic war wagon mentality...Practicallity is low. Only someone like the US Govt could possibly afford to fuel and repair these monsters. Use them to much, the wear parts. Let them sit to long and stuff breaks on its own. And compared to their grandfathers...these vehicles are a lot more complex and computerized. Funny...about the only thing they didn't work to improove was the comfort level of the cab...or lack there of!
And they don't self-unload so the "house" will be stuck on it if you don't have a forklift,crane, or Kalimar standing by.

Was meant a joke more than anything else, since no one is going to spend a few thousand on a container to live in and $150-200k for an MTVR. Yes, very expensive to operate. Would you really need to go faster that 60 mph? ...I've always been impressed by their speed. I had a lot of fun driving them, though the cab is like all military vehicles as you mentioned. You're wrong about it being stuck on the back, though. They load and unload themselves... youtube Oshkosh LHS.
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
Oops...

Was meant a joke more than anything else, since no one is going to spend a few thousand on a container to live in and $150-200k for an MTVR. Yes, very expensive to operate. Would you really need to go faster that 60 mph? ...I've always been impressed by their speed. I had a lot of fun driving them, though the cab is like all military vehicles as you mentioned. You're wrong about it being stuck on the back, though. They load and unload themselves... youtube Oshkosh LHS.

Trump. I figured you ment it as a joke. Sorry if my reply seemed like it was gruff...didn't mean it that way.
And your also correct on most of your other points. I had only glanced at the "new model photos" in the linky and was a little (still am, haha) lacking for sleep. In effect they do load and unload themselves...in typical PLS fashion...extend the hook and there you go. Wonder what that would do to the furniture and stuff in the fridge!:Wow1: hahaha...Not to mention the blackwater! Oh MY! LOL
How funny would it be to get two containers, mount one one the truck and the other on the ISO trailer...park them side by side and have a deck between them. Instant house part 2!:elkgrin:
 

jesusgatos

Explorer
How funny would it be to get two containers, mount one one the truck and the other on the ISO trailer...park them side by side and have a deck between them. Instant house part 2!:elkgrin:
That's kind of how my motorhome & trailer are configured, but back-to-back.
 
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Scenic WonderRunner

Guest
I like this stuff!

I found this fun story tonight.

http://earthsci.org/education/fieldsk/container/container.html

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