Modding a Wrangler to Match Land Cruiser Reliability?

Dan Grec

Expedition Leader
That's a straw man argument. Any vehicle requires maintenance. But if you were to go to Australia or Africa. You will still see old cruisers living their life in off road excursions.

I drove a ~7 year old Wrangler 40,000 miles from Alaska to Argentina, and the ONLY thing done was oil changes and flat tires.
Literally never put a wrench on it for any other reason. Nothing. Not once.

I'm aware of a couple of other Wranglers doing the same, I am unaware of a 20+ year old LC or D110 doing similar, and they would cost roughly the same.

-Dan
 

docwatson

Adventurer
That's a straw man argument. Any vehicle requires maintenance. But if you were to go to Australia or Africa. You will still see old cruisers living their life in off road excursions.
If you come to Central America you will see all kinds of old vehicles still living their life in off road excursions so I think your point is invalid...

By the way, my dog is bigger than your dog.
 
Yep, I have driven the Rubicon Trail 12 times with stock vehicles. . .
Can I ride along next time? Stock or modded; CJ, JK, LC, (insert any letter designation here) or G-Wagen - I don't care. I'll spot as best as I can. I'll shoot pictures as best as I can. I'll cook and get pointers from my wife ahead of time. I'll clean the windows and check the oil and tire pressures.

More importantly, I'll praise whatever is being driven. (I do have a preference for the G-Wagen, however).
 

twiisted71

Adventurer
Well I'm convinced. It is ridiculous that anyone anywhere isn't smart enough to buy a land cruiser. They are clearly the best vehicles ever made for every situation.
The problem i have is that I'm old school. I will never trust an automatic transmission as we know them at this point in time for an expedition as much as I do a manual. Same can be said for a tried and true mechanical diesel vs an engine with a computer controlling a major portion of its operation. I grew up seeing the old LCs and Range Rovers in the African/Australian documentaries, Wild Kingdom episodes, and in magazine articles. Unlike today they weren't paying for product placement, they were truly what those in the know had determined to be the best they could get for their usage. They were robust BUT they were also able to be repaired in the field with simple tools by folks with average mechanical knowledge.

All the computerized driving aids and engine management systems have opened up many motoring opportunities to people who otherwise would never have learned to handle their vehicle without them. Soccer moms can turn a lap in their minivans at the same corner speeds as '80s sportscars. johnny yuppie can turn a couple dials on his brand new bone stock Range Rover and traverse widely varying terrain with total confidence that 20 yrs ago would have required a heavily modified rig with special tires and set-ups for each condition and lots of experience to perform safely.
Perhaps it makes things safer, perhaps it is just dumbing down the driving experience. I don't know. I just shake my head when I see the self parking cars, self braking systems, little knobs so you can back up a trailer like a video game, traction control that won't allow you to clear the treads on your tires or get a run at a slick hill, and on and on. In some ways I'm looking forward to the self driving cars as I feel there are too many folks for whom driving is an inconvenience that they can't be bothered enough to learn to properly do or pay sufficient attention when behind the wheel.....and that is just on regular roadways! Can't even calculate the amount of people I've seen hurt or endangered, vehicles damaged or destroyed, equipment left/lost in the woods/mud and trails damaged to the point others could no longer use them or resulted in being closed down. Perhaps if they keep making new vehicles less and less off-roadable it will make that aspect of the car hobby "safer" too. Only time will tell. Until then....buy something/build something, whatever your into, and take it out and enjoy the scenery......or don't! "They" will take it away soon enough.:smiley_drive:
 

Ryanmb21

Expedition Leader
I would not. Give me a 60 series and a few thousand to update the interior seats. Done.




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Safety of your passengers must not be very important.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
I am sorry Kurt but you are wrong.
I only responded to this thread because it is ridiculous and even irresponsible to constantly tell people "Toyotas never fail".


I drove around the world twice with a Land Cruiser - zero failures. Not even a flat.

I drove across Antarctica twice with a HiLux - zero failures. In Antarctica, the ONLY standard 4WD used for continental crossings is a Toyota. These expeditions spare no expense, so the concept of a Toyota Tax is irrelevant. They use what works- because your life depends on it.

Not so stupid afterall. . .
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Well I'm convinced. It is ridiculous that anyone anywhere isn't smart enough to buy a land cruiser. They are clearly the best vehicles ever made for every situation.

No one said that. Every vehicle is a compromise. My issue is with the people not willing to admit strengths and weaknesses. It results in bad information that others can use to make critical travel decisions.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
I drove a ~7 year old Wrangler 40,000 miles from Alaska to Argentina, and the ONLY thing done was oil changes and flat tires.
Literally never put a wrench on it for any other reason. Nothing. Not once.

I love that you used a Wrangler for the trip. It is nice to see the classic pictures with something other than a Land Cruiser or Defender ;)
 

toylandcruiser

Expedition Leader
I drove around the world twice with a Land Cruiser - zero failures. Not even a flat.

I drove across Antarctica twice with a HiLux - zero failures. In Antarctica, the ONLY standard 4WD used for continental crossings is a Toyota. These expeditions spare no expense, so the concept of a Toyota Tax is irrelevant. They use what works- because your life depends on it.

Not so stupid afterall. . .

Take me on one of your adventures. Yesterday I saw a white g driving around. Made me want to stop him and check it out.
 

Viggen

Just here...
Safety of your passengers must not be very important.

You are driving a 2006. Your safety aids and technology is about 10 years behind the curve. You must not care about your passengers either.


And yes, I will take a 60 over a 200 every day of the week. A 60 with a modified 80 frame, I will be there tomorrow (money allowing but since we are talking 200 money, that is not an issue).
 

SSF556

SE Expedition Society
Well I'm convinced. It is ridiculous that anyone anywhere isn't smart enough to buy a land cruiser. They are clearly the best vehicles ever made for every situation.
The problem i have is that I'm old school. I will never trust an automatic transmission as we know them at this point in time for an expedition as much as I do a manual. Same can be said for a tried and true mechanical diesel vs an engine with a computer controlling a major portion of its operation. I grew up seeing the old LCs and Range Rovers in the African/Australian documentaries, Wild Kingdom episodes, and in magazine articles. Unlike today they weren't paying for product placement, they were truly what those in the know had determined to be the best they could get for their usage. They were robust BUT they were also able to be repaired in the field with simple tools by folks with average mechanical knowledge.

All the computerized driving aids and engine management systems have opened up many motoring opportunities to people who otherwise would never have learned to handle their vehicle without them. Soccer moms can turn a lap in their minivans at the same corner speeds as '80s sportscars. johnny yuppie can turn a couple dials on his brand new bone stock Range Rover and traverse widely varying terrain with total confidence that 20 yrs ago would have required a heavily modified rig with special tires and set-ups for each condition and lots of experience to perform safely.
Perhaps it makes things safer, perhaps it is just dumbing down the driving experience. I don't know. I just shake my head when I see the self parking cars, self braking systems, little knobs so you can back up a trailer like a video game, traction control that won't allow you to clear the treads on your tires or get a run at a slick hill, and on and on. In some ways I'm looking forward to the self driving cars as I feel there are too many folks for whom driving is an inconvenience that they can't be bothered enough to learn to properly do or pay sufficient attention when behind the wheel.....and that is just on regular roadways! Can't even calculate the amount of people I've seen hurt or endangered, vehicles damaged or destroyed, equipment left/lost in the woods/mud and trails damaged to the point others could no longer use them or resulted in being closed down. Perhaps if they keep making new vehicles less and less off-roadable it will make that aspect of the car hobby "safer" too. Only time will tell. Until then....buy something/build something, whatever your into, and take it out and enjoy the scenery......or don't! "They" will take it away soon enough.:smiley_drive:

glad you were not advising the Wright brothers when they transitioned from gliders to engine powered flight...or friends with Karl Benz when he decided to strap an engine to a buggy....technology is good stuff...
 
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toylandcruiser

Expedition Leader
glad you were not advising the wright brothers when the transitioned from gliders to engine powered flight...or friends with Karl Benz when he decided to strap an engine to a buggy....technology is good stuff...

The vehicle he drives is light years more complex than a model t. But yet it's "simple" and reliable.
 

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