More proof that Jeep is the leader in 4x4 overland vehicles

[Dan Grec]

I don't think the J8 is really available anywhere for private ownership. They probably only make them (Egypt factory I think) on a quantity order and don't take the time to get them through safety or emissions laws anywhere.

A guy on Oman walked into his local dealer and bought one.
He posts pictures and stories about it regularly on the AEV forums.

There are also a few getting around Calgary, Canada, though I don't know for sure how they got in.

-Dan

 

[RoyJ]

So you didn't show me where it could go and an fj can't. Interesting.

That's what I call lazy argument - asking someone to do a bunch of work just prove a theory for you.

The FJ is a nice truck, and one of the last remaining offroad capable SUVs, but make no mistake, a Rubicon beats in in EVERY offroad performance index: approach/departure angles, breakover on 2dr, articulation, locked front and back. You honestly think it doesn't beat the FJC?

Your argument is like saying: show me where a Camry can't keep up with a Corvette in the twisties. Such a video can be hard to find. And if I can't find one then obvious a Camry is just as good as a Corvette, right?

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

Have a look at the design of the wrangler and compare it to all other offerings. The overall design make it the best for anything off road really. Probably the best approach and departure angles in any vehicle made. That alone makes it king. Sure some have better motors, or more space, but the jeep will go places others can't because of its design.
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I Wrote this in 2011 in another forum

"The Approach angle and Departure angle aint stellar on the Jeep Wrangler. Compare against Landrover Defender. Sadly I live in Sweden and will get the Wrangler EU bumper, even Worse. Today I have a Suzuki Jimny with Approach angle 42 deg and Departure angle 46 deg.

EU Wrangler bumper:

Approach angle 38.4 deg.

Departure angle 31.3 deg.

US Wrangler bumper:

Approach angle 40.8 deg

Departure angle 37.4 deg

Landrover Defender :

Approach angle 49 deg.

Departure angle 47 deg.

My old 2001 Suzuki Jimny :

Approach angle 42 deg.

Departure angle 46 deg.

Suzuki Samurai: ???

Approach angle 48 deg

Departure angle 40 deg.

Hummer H1:

Approach angle 72

Departure angle 37.5

Lada Niva:

Approach angle 40 deg.

Departure angle 32 deg.

Mercedes Geländewagen:

Approach angle 40 deg


Summary:

European wrangler has one of the worst approach angles in the world in the group "real 4X4" because of the big bumper.

The US bumper aint so good either."

 

[kojackJKU]

Yea about the rust issues. Those frames were made in America by Dana. The Japanese frames have no issues. Toyota being the company it is replaced or bought the truck back. What American company would do that. Its funny, Chryco is such a failing company that Daimler spent money to get rid of it. In the last 7 years there has been what 3 owners? That's pretty sweet. Once again, jeep fanboys are failing to see the difference between driving you vehicle on third world roads all of its life versus, "well my truck is super reliable as it being driven on North American paved roads and I wheel it once a week. That proves it super bad ***." There is a gigantic difference between a jeep and everything else.


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

I'm sorry, but I wheel my jeep more than once a week and we go every weekend during non snow season when our back country is still accessible. The fj is an ok rig, I hate those dumb doors for the rear and visability is horrible. Also, since you mention rust on the jks and then post ford and Mazda data, that does not prove anything. I have a 2011 jk, that lives in one of the saltiest environments in north America, there is no rust on my rig. Meanwhile there are many tacos and tundras around here with cancer eating their fenders and chasis away.

 

[marcall]

That's what I call lazy argument - asking someone to do a bunch of work just prove a theory for you.

The FJ is a nice truck, and one of the last remaining offroad capable SUVs, but make no mistake, a Rubicon beats in in EVERY offroad performance index: approach/departure angles, breakover on 2dr, articulation, locked front and back. You honestly think it doesn't beat the FJC?

Your argument is like saying: show me where a Camry can't keep up with a Corvette in the twisties. Such a video can be hard to find. And if I can't find one then obvious a Camry is just as good as a Corvette, right?

Don't forget the Rubi also has OEM option of a 4:1 low range TC right of the Dealer lot. The most FJC had was 2:56 higher than any standard American truck with the usual 2:72 LOL but the FJC like the Jeep was (remember it's discontinued now do to poor sales with only 656 being sold in Canada in 2013) is designed overall with GREAT number in other categories. Like the Jeep they are small well designed with the whole package as you pointed out (GC/AP/DP/BO angles, good usable torque range, it's just the Rubicon does it better. That's all stock OEM. Aftermarket you can easily transform a Jeep into a MORE formible vehicle cheaper and easier (due to the vast aftermarket) than any other make.

 

[toylandcruiser]

Why, why, why is this concept so hard for you fanboys to grasp. I'm done with this. Trying to converse with you guys is about as effective as if I was talking to a wall. Wheeling your truck part time on some cool trails is not the same as the truck living it's life off road. My point of the fj and jk is the jk will not out wheel an fj. I have never ever seen it. But that's still not the point that is trying to be made. You're so blind by you lust for your jeep that I guess you'll never see. I'm done with this pointless conversation. The corvette Camry thing that was brought up made me laugh. It proves my point as well. A Camry will go just as many places as a crap vette, well maybe more so as the vette will probably break down or kill someone when it's ignoring shuts off and gm won't own up to it for 10 years. Sure the vette is fancier but it's not able to go more places. That might not even be what was said. Who cares as I only briefly read over it. My final words. Jeeps are gay as hell.


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

Best thread for a long time

I dont really grasp why the Jeep Wrangler unlimited Rubicon have so low payload as 892 lb (405kg) in US. My Rubicon unlimited 2013 has little more 1200 lb (545kg) and it is probably because I have bigger brakes that al export Wranglers have outside US. But it is still low for Dana 44 axles I think.

I wonder if Payload has something to due with toppspeed of the vehicle, hmm

I do understand that a Landrover Defender 110 ordinary or heavy duty have more in payload because it has similar axles as Dana 60 and then probably bigger stiffer coils and springs. With heavy duty payload is 3042 lbs (1380kg) and that is about three times more than the Rubicon, does that mean that Defenders axles are three times as big and sturdy, three times as big and sturdy coils and chocks. A axle three times a Dana 44 would be extremly hugh and much bigger than a Dana 60. It do not seem right with the payload.

So lets look at Jankel Jeep J8, look at the specs at the end (page 23), it has front Dana 44 (as Rubicon) and rear Dana 60 and it has a payload between 2.556lb (1164kg) to 3667 lbs (1664kg) we say about roughly 3 times the payload a Rubicon has. Is Dana 60 3 times as big and sturdy as Dana 44, I dont think so.
http://www.jankel.com/media/images/J8Brochurev4.4email_444.pdf
On page 3 they write.

"Heavy-duty air cooling, brakes, suspension and a sturdy Dana 60 rear axle" There are bigger brakes on Rubicon export models

"Significant reinforcement of chassis for outstanding payload and towing capability"

I think also Defender have sturdier chassi compared to the Rubicon and is probably a important factor to increased payload.

I am still think that a Rubicon is regarded as a car and the defender and J8 is regarded as a truck and have different payloads ratings because you offen drives a car different and faster than a truck. I wonder if J8 and Defender would have thoose Payloads if they were for sales in US classifieds as personal vehicles.

Havent Rubicon a rather strong chassi and axles if it is made to be bashed on rocks on Rubicon, I mean Rubicon has the same payload as many cars made for the city.

Topspeeds

Jeep J8: 140 kph (87 mph)

Defender 110: 145 kph

Rubicon unlimited: 180kph

That payload a Defender can have means that it has good brakes? A test made here say that it stopped at 54 meters in 100km/h and that is not so good. This test is from 2007, so now it is maybe better. Google translated

https://translate.google.se/transla...rbel-bei-den-haendlern-731019.html&edit-text=

 

[Joe917]

Bla Bla Bla Bla Jeep Bla Bla Bla Bla

 

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: Heh Heh, you guys remember the old story about the Ostrich/head/sand-trick ?

There have been dozens of comp. tests for various 4x4s, since the jeep Rubicon came out (2003-?)and for unmodified vehicles, stock--she's been tops-

Why argue, like I said earlier--you better be happy with your toys !

:costumed-smiley-007:wings: JIMBO

 

[marcall]

I would venture to say that most "overland" trucks do not spend their life off road. what they do is spend a few months of a year on a mix of dirt and pavement and then go in for a lot of tender loving care. Maybe they go on a couple big expeditions and then a few small ones and then it's retirement. By comparison American farm and ranch trucks (many ranchers have Jeeps as well) spend 90 percent of their time 365, 24/7 for decades off road, in all kinds of weather, left in the elements, hauling overladed loads, dragging fence etc. No fancy overhauls just work done in a hay barn. But I gues trhat doesn't compare to a romantic overland trip does it

:fanboi:

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

Plain and simple when it comes to expedition travel jeeps are for people who never owned a Land Cruiser.

Why are jeeps the most accessorized vehicles made....they need it.

 

[kojackJKU]

Flight2k5

You sir are the one that's blind, around here the FJ is a chick rig. that's all that drives them around here.

Oh, FYI, here is a video of a JEEP OUTWHEELING a superior FJ Cruiser. I am certain that the Toyota is the "gay" one out of the bunch......as you put it. nice comment. As for the Jeep being the most accessorised, has nothing to do with needing anything to wheel, I can take my stock JK.....and drive further than a stock Toyota whatever that is built today....

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

Hi

I looked at a new Landrover Discovery LR4 and that is a big vehicle, and it has a payload about 610k-657kg, but that is only about half of heavy duty Defenders payload.

 

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: Heh Heh, proofs in the pudding !

Flight2k5

You sir are the one that's blind, around here the FJ is a chick rig. that's all that drives them around here.

Oh, FYI, here is a video of a JEEP OUTWHEELING a superior FJ Cruiser. I am certain that the Toyota is the "gay" one out of the bunch......as you put it. nice comment. As for the Jeep being the most accessorised, has nothing to do with needing anything to wheel, I can take my stock JK.....and drive further than a stock Toyota whatever that is built today....

One more for the Gipper-

Thanx Kojack

:costumed-smiley-007:bike_rider: JIMBO

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

How is the resell value on your jeep today stock or modified, new or old

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