More proof that Jeep is the leader in 4x4 overland vehicles

[arlon]

If the Jeep Wrangler just had a bigger fuel tank and a small diesel, I'd agree. Their small fuel tanks and poor mileage just kill the range you need with this kind of vehicle. Even my old AWD van has about twice the range of a Wrangler. I met a friend in Big Bend who owns a Rubicon, We were back a ways in the park, after a single back road he was having to head out of the park for fuel. After doing that several times in a weekend I was unimpressed with his fuel issue. He had to burn 1/3 of tank just getting to and from fuel. I fueled up once on the way in and didn't have to look for fuel until I was half way home. We were just going down dirt roads so there wasn't anywhere he was going that I couldn't. Other venues I'm sure the JEEP wins because I can't follow him no matter how much fuel I have. (-:}

 

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: Curious, what year jeep wasit ?

If the Jeep Wrangler just had a bigger fuel tank and a small diesel, I'd agree. Their small fuel tanks and poor mileage just kill the range you need with this kind of vehicle. Even my old AWD van has about twice the range of a Wrangler. I met a friend in Big Bend who owns a Rubicon, We were back a ways in the park, after a single back road he was having to head out of the park for fuel. After doing that several times in a weekend I was unimpressed with his fuel issue. He had to burn 1/3 of tank just getting to and from fuel. I fueled up once on the way in and didn't have to look for fuel until I was half way home. We were just going down dirt roads so there wasn't anywhere he was going that I couldn't. Other venues I'm sure the JEEP wins because I can't follow him no matter how much fuel I have. (-:}

My '08 has netted 417 miles, before the "Hiccup", thats hiwy miles, it was a mileage test (19.9mpg)

:costumed-smiley-007:wings: JIMBO

 

[MR.Ty]

If the Jeep Wrangler just had a bigger fuel tank and a small diesel, I'd agree. Their small fuel tanks and poor mileage just kill the range you need with this kind of vehicle. Even my old AWD van has about twice the range of a Wrangler. I met a friend in Big Bend who owns a Rubicon, We were back a ways in the park, after a single back road he was having to head out of the park for fuel. After doing that several times in a weekend I was unimpressed with his fuel issue. He had to burn 1/3 of tank just getting to and from fuel. I fueled up once on the way in and didn't have to look for fuel until I was half way home. We were just going down dirt roads so there wasn't anywhere he was going that I couldn't. Other venues I'm sure the JEEP wins because I can't follow him no matter how much fuel I have. (-:}

Sounds like your friend could just a fuel jug and a tech to look at his jeep. In contrast I've spent all day (530am-0900pm) in Rausche creek PA. And bearly left the F on my fuel gauge. Total distance we traveled in the park was about 50ish miles. All while in 4 low.

 

[marcall]

Plain and simple when it comes to expedition travel jeeps are for people who never owned a Land Cruiser.

Why are jeeps the most accessorized vehicles made....they need it.

American car culture has always accesorised more than anybody else. Throw that out the window and Jeeps have always been customised since day one. Then you have the fact that for so many years not a whole lot changed and millions were on "the road" so it was a good choice for a business to target. One of the more versatile vehicles throughout history...Soroity girl/frat boy car, hunting vehicle, drill rig, recreational 4 wheeler, , rock crawler, mall crawler, lowrider, etc Maybe Jeep continues to sell a basic platform because they know it will be modified in someway. Throw that theory out and maybe Jeep people just love to tinker. Once again the Rubicon certainly would not need it but people still do it. it's a Jeep thing/It's an American thing. Land Cruiser pales by comparison in aftermarket support.

Most people minus the University sorority girl who got a new JK as a "going away to college" gift from daddy own a Jeep because they saw what they are capable of or they grew up around them or maybe it was even passed down. I imagine most of the FJC crowd saw the flashy bells and whistles and wanted the image of an aggresive vehicle to replace their Rav 4 or Nissan pathfinder in order to take them to Yoga class or The local nartue conservancy hiking trail. How many truly beat up FJC's do you see vs beat up jeeps. Or since I see you're from AZ as well, how many FJC's do you see with "desert Pinstriping"?

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

If the Jeep Wrangler just had a bigger fuel tank and a small diesel, I'd agree. Their small fuel tanks and poor mileage just kill the range you need with this kind of vehicle. Even my old AWD van has about twice the range of a Wrangler. I met a friend in Big Bend who owns a Rubicon, We were back a ways in the park, after a single back road he was having to head out of the park for fuel. After doing that several times in a weekend I was unimpressed with his fuel issue. He had to burn 1/3 of tank just getting to and from fuel. I fueled up once on the way in and didn't have to look for fuel until I was half way home. We were just going down dirt roads so there wasn't anywhere he was going that I couldn't. Other venues I'm sure the JEEP wins because I can't follow him no matter how much fuel I have. (-:}

I am not really sure what are comparing it with.

Jeep Wrangler unlimited: 85 liters fuel tank
Toyota Land Cruiser 150 (prado?): 87 Liters Fuel tank
Landrover Discovery LR4: 82-86 liters Fuel tank

 

[kojackJKU]

Sorry if you are upset...Im not bitching Im making points. No need to get personal its a discussion.



I never said anything about anyone following anyone. Please stay on task it about overlanding.



I have no problem posting pictures my Land CruiserS as you can guess Im very proud of them. But its not about who I am or what I drive its about the brand and overlanding.



Jump in your jeep and take a trip down to Cabo and count the Toyota and the jeeps you see (on a trailer does not count) I have and you dont want to know the results.



I will admit I have drove a jeep in the Baja 2000. To be perfectly honest the only parts that were real jeep parts were the head light, tail lights, and part of the frame and it was designed by Mopar/jeep engineers.

Wow you have more than one. I have plenty of rigs too. Again. What makes your cruiser so special that I could not possibly go anywhere you can. You are the one calling out the jeep....gives us some humor. I can guarantee there are plenty more jeeps everywhere in 'merica.

 

[RoyJ]

Why, why, why is this concept so hard for you fanboys to grasp. I'm done with this. Trying to converse with you guys is about as effective as if I was talking to a wall. Wheeling your truck part time on some cool trails is not the same as the truck living it's life off road. My point of the fj and jk is the jk will not out wheel an fj. I have never ever seen it. But that's still not the point that is trying to be made. You're so blind by you lust for your jeep that I guess you'll never see. I'm done with this pointless conversation. The corvette Camry thing that was brought up made me laugh. It proves my point as well. A Camry will go just as many places as a crap vette, well maybe more so as the vette will probably break down or kill someone when it's ignoring shuts off and gm won't own up to it for 10 years. Sure the vette is fancier but it's not able to go more places. That might not even be what was said. Who cares as I only briefly read over it. My final words. Jeeps are gay as hell.

The fanboy is yourself.

I've made objective arguments throughout my post, highlighting the PROs and CONs of each manufacturer.

You just want to hear the LC is king of the world, and Toyota can out-wheel a lunar lander on the moon. The slightest negativity towards anything you own (Toyota and Mercedes) and you pull out the "fanboy" card.

Just so you know, Corvettes haven't had a keyed ignition since 2005...

 

[RoyJ]

If You only afford one vehicle that does it all at "lower price"

That's a factor missed by many - price.

I think we ALL agree a LC200 is a better vehicle than a JKU, for just about anything except hard core crawling vs a Rubicon. But at 2.5x the price, it BETTER be!

If we're talking about LC200 class of overlanding trucks, another vehicle I'd add (may get a lot of controversy over this) is the Infiniti QX56. :Wow1: I know, I know, looks like a bloated soccer mom cruiser, but underneath the skin, it's very close to the Nissan Patrol Y62. While not as welcomed as the 200, you'll still have better chance finding parts world-wide than a Jeep.

It has IFS and IRS, but a clever active hydraulic system allows it to articulate similar to a LR by getting rid of sway bars all together. Rip out the 3rd row seats and you'll have some decent load carrying - 1700 lbs stock, minus 100 lbs of seats = 1800 lbs (818 kgs). Air shocks in the back means no sag.

Of course, like the 200/LR4/RR, it's got complicated electronics...

 

[kojackJKU]

That's a factor missed by many - price.

I think we ALL agree a LC200 is a better vehicle than a JKU, for just about anything except hard core crawling vs a Rubicon. But at 2.5x the price, it BETTER be!

If we're talking about LC200 class of overlanding trucks, another vehicle I'd add (may get a lot of controversy over this) is the Infiniti QX56. :Wow1: I know, I know, looks like a bloated soccer mom cruiser, but underneath the skin, it's very close to the Nissan Patrol Y62. While not as welcomed as the 200, you'll still have better chance finding parts world-wide than a Jeep.

It has IFS and IRS, but a clever active hydraulic system allows it to articulate similar to a LR by getting rid of sway bars all together. Rip out the 3rd row seats and you'll have some decent load carrying - 1700 lbs stock, minus 100 lbs of seats = 1800 lbs (818 kgs). Air shocks in the back means no sag.

Of course, like the 200/LR4/RR, it's got complicated electronics...

how about the armada instead, the infinity is way to prissy to be anything than a pavement pounder...and I would love to see evidence where the 200 is twice the rig a JKu is.

 

[RoyJ]

how about the armada instead, the infinity is way to prissy to be anything than a pavement pounder...and I would love to see evidence where the 200 is twice the rig a JKu is.

The only reason I brought up the QX is for people insisting on global overlanding and require parts availability. If you snap a cv joint in the Middle East, you can buy one for the Patrol and slap it on the Infiniti. With an Armada you're stuck...

For domestic overlanding, there are better and cheaper choices than both of them. JK for light work, and Explorer, Expedition, Tahoe, for the heavier stuff. I can hang 2 dirt bikes on my Explorer and still carry enough fuel and water for a multi day camp deep in the woods.

If you need more capacity than that, you can pickup a 3500 Ram with 4000 lbs of payload for half the price of a LC200.

 

[Jeep or Tacoma]

`Landcruiser phil I have owned both jeeps and Toyotas trucks, 4 runners and landcruisers for more than 40 years. alos severl chevys a 95 2 door balzer with 2/4 ton torsion bars and an 88 barn door suburban, My first jeep was a 77 cj-7 golden eagle. I am a geologist and work off road for a living. My vehicle is my safety net. The best vehicle I have ever owned is my current 2008 JKU rubicon, the second was my 1998 landcruiser 100 series although the 2 door blazer was damned close. . Both were/are modified, The jeep has a 3.5 inch heavy duty ome lift warn bumper and smitty built winch side bars. The cruiser had a arb front bumper warn 10k winch, tjm rear bumper tire carrier. full wrap side bars that were mated to the arb front bumper, 33inch parnelli jones tires. here is my take. The jeep will go anywhere do anything and never leave me stranded, The land crusier most places but lifting a front wheel on a rocky trail side hill is a little too dramatic for me. Hell the kids would get out and walk . Both got about 12-13 mpg. the landcruiser was very nice but you feel all that weight. The jeep way more fun. The blazer was great very fun better mileage but again limited by the IFS, ironically the best long distance cruiser and best in the snow was the 88 barn door suburban with a rear locker. its a close call for a the cruiser the blazer and the suburban. but the jeep is way better off road and way more fun with way more options and way less cost. that being said my crusier was a beast. but expensive. I finally sold it at 115k when the main computer went south. as for my others the bronco sucked used to sink like a stone in an kind of sand . My first toyota truck was small simple I think a 78 had heat shield issues but would climb like a billy goat with no locker. way better the my bosses f350 ford with skinny as tires. the other 2 toyotas pick ups a 1982 went throuh 5 trannys in 100k mile bad bearing races soft aluminum and the manual would start loosing gears ( legendary Toyota reliability ! not) the 4-runner also had issues seals... so looking back I had no problems with my 2 jeeps I ahev 104,00o on the jku. sold the 77 with 75k on it to buy my first house. but the toyotas had some issues. Oh and from my name jeep or toyota I had a 2007 tacoma a the same time as my jeep I had to sell one or the other. Don't get me wrong though. the landcruiser was the best 4wheel drive I had ever owned until I got my jeep. and yes I miss it cause I had so much fun in it . but the jeep is better. IMHO

 

[Jeep or Tacoma]

i owned both

jeeps are more accessorized because it is an easier platform and less expensive, and better at most things than a. landcrusier

 

[DallasJKU]

Jeeps are way more fun and way cooler and that's all I care about.

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

Howdy

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[kojackJKU]

The only reason I brought up the QX is for people insisting on global overlanding and require parts availability. If you snap a cv joint in the Middle East, you can buy one for the Patrol and slap it on the Infiniti. With an Armada you're stuck...

For domestic overlanding, there are better and cheaper choices than both of them. JK for light work, and Explorer, Expedition, Tahoe, for the heavier stuff. I can hang 2 dirt bikes on my Explorer and still carry enough fuel and water for a multi day camp deep in the woods.

If you need more capacity than that, you can pickup a 3500 Ram with 4000 lbs of payload for half the price of a LC200.

I thought the armada and the qx were on the same platform.