More proof that Jeep is the leader in 4x4 overland vehicles

[Presto88]

Forgive me for asking this noob question. If I upgrade the suspension on a Jeep - for instance, if I installed an AEV 2.5" lift - will that affect my allowed payload? If not, then what COULD I do (if anything) to increase the payload?

 

[marktutone]

How about a Hilux, can that new Jeep do this?

No problem

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

I think you lack understanding of what locking hubs do. You can lock them, or unlock them, whenever you want. Your precious auto locking hubs are dependent upon a (in some Jeeps) a vacuum operated center axle disconnect (weak) or a spring to keep engagement teeth apart (wears eventually). Manual hubs, you get to the trail, lock them up, and start driving. When you are done, you unlock them and drive off. And yes, if you are wheeling you will probably get out to check out some obstacles before you attempt them so you could probably lock them there too. Another advantage of manual hubs is unlocking one, or both, to eliminate driveline bind. Something that cannot easily be done, if at all, with autolocking hubs as it requires reversing to unlock, and then shifting to relock. Another advantage is 2wd low. Leave the hubs unlocked, shift into low range and go. Again, to avoid bind if you really do not need 4wd, which you will not in many places. Try that with autolocking hubs. Since most autolocking hubs unlock when you reverse, what happens if you are in the mud and need to rock it by backing up a few feet?


It is a stupid argument to talk about the inconvenience of getting out of the truck which might get your boots dirty. If you are afraid of getting dirty, you should probably do something else.

Thats is so old technology, I mean my Suzuki Jimny hade Auto hubs when I bought it year 2000, and hade no problem with it for 13 years of driving at 2013 when I bought my Wrangler. I see no future in it thats way almost no offeres it no more, I see no benifits in it and have not ever used it my self.

Iam a lazy bastard that do no want to leave warm vehicle to turn the hubs in the deep snow

 

[Ramjet]

I skimmed through this whole thread and find it mildly entertaining at best.:lurk:

 

[libarata]

Gata loooooove jeepsters.

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

Forgive me for asking this noob question. If I upgrade the suspension on a Jeep - for instance, if I installed an AEV 2.5" lift - will that affect my allowed payload? If not, then what COULD I do (if anything) to increase the payload?

Intresting Question

I dont think so, I think it is about axles, brakes, ladder strength etc. It probably depends what Country You live in.

But You can take newer lighter stuff wit You

For instance I bought smaller and lighter stuff

To left new stuff, to the right the old stuff and multiply that with maybe 5 people

To the left

Expeed lite 5 Down, small sleepingbag, Helinox chair

One Helinix chair compared to a cheap and ordinary chair

It goes about 3 Helinox chairs on one small camping chair

Sleeping madrasses

Sleeping sack

I use REI aluminium table

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

I skimmed through this whole thread and find it mildly entertaining at best.:lurk:

That is very positive and You might learn something

 

[RoyJ]

Forgive me for asking this noob question. If I upgrade the suspension on a Jeep - for instance, if I installed an AEV 2.5" lift - will that affect my allowed payload? If not, then what COULD I do (if anything) to increase the payload?

TECHNICALLY, nothing you do will change the GVW by an ounce. But realistically, and engineering wise, a heavier set of springs can help with payload dramatically. Keep in mind just about every built-up rig is overloaded as per GVWR, especially when loaded for overland travel. But many handle just fine.

In the commerical DOT world, your GVW is always the sum of your axle ratings (GAWR). So legally, as long as you don't exceed the sum of your axle ratings (which takes braking into consideration), no DOT officer will bother you.

Manufacturers typically have a lower rating than the sum of axle capacities, for warranty purposes. A LOT of people confuse this as the "legal limit", and think going over will cause insurance to deny your claim. Completely false. Ask yourself, a lot of the payload or tow ratings are based on axle ratios - how would a differential axle help prevent an accident? For this reason, GAWRs are not based on a certain diff ratio.

 

[Presto88]

Thanks, Roy and Omar, for the input.

 

[toylandcruiser]

No problem

Umm that's not the same thing.


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[SpongeX]

That top gear clip only shows a small part of what happened to that hilux.

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[cruiseroutfit]

Are there any benifits to go out of the vehicle to lock them in the sand, mud, water, snow instead of having auto hubs besides maybe see some nice girls when You go out :ylsmoke:

Sure, less part to fail than an auto engage system. If your that worried about locking hubs, leave them locked or replace them with drive flanges as many OE Land Cruisers come equipped with. Aisin/Asco hubs used by Toyota are rock solid and super simple, I can't think of a reason not to run them unless you need to have full-time 4WD and in that case solid drive flanges make sense.

 

[thedjjack]

I would not take anything bought new in North America...

Airbags, traction control, ECU, automagic 8 speeds, electronic everything...etc...

Personally, give me 1 ton axles, gear driven transfercase with a lever to kick it in and out not a computer, standard, simple mechanical injected diesel, electric nothing....KISS

Manual hubs lock the axle with minimum parts... Auto hubs are in reverse when stuck and axle disconnects like to freeze up....

I can by a motorcycle but I have to airbags and traction control... and new diesels that suck...

Brand loyalty makes not sense...

 

[toylandcruiser]

I would not take anything bought new in North America...

Airbags, traction control, ECU, automagic 8 speeds, electronic everything...etc...

Personally, give me 1 ton axles, gear driven transfercase with a lever to kick it in and out not a computer, standard, simple mechanical injected diesel, electric nothing....KISS

Manual hubs lock the axle with minimum parts... Auto hubs are in reverse when stuck and axle disconnects like to freeze up....

I can by a motorcycle but I have to airbags and traction control... and new diesels that suck...

Brand loyalty makes not sense...

All of that's been pretty well blown out of the water as well. The kiss idea is silly. There are thousands and hundreds of thousands of new vehicles with over 300000 miles. The idea that older is reliable is crazy.


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[pedal]

Intresting Question

What is that you have attached to the tailgate?

Nice to see another two door wrangler! I have the older TJ variety.