More proof that Jeep is the leader in 4x4 overland vehicles

[toylandcruiser]

How does that not make sense?

Have you seen how much electronic features is loaded into late LCs? Just so you know, I'm not biased. An LR4 has just as much complexity as any LC.

As for the PW, again, have you looked underneath one lately? Look at the size of the new 50ksi frame members, the new front control arms, and the giant 11.5 rear axle. That's the same axle that allowed a 22,000+ lbs towing capacity, 6000+ lbs payload, all the while behind an 800lb-ft Cummins in the 2010 - 2012 HD Rams.

That's not remotely in the same class as any SUV, from a Defender to a Patrol. If you don't call that "overbuilt", I don't know what you're comparing to...

Wow a power wagon does not have a 6000 pound plus payload capacity. Doesn't have a n 11.5" rear end. Not does it have a 800 lbft torque engine. I'm not sure how you went from a power wagon to a 1 ton cummins truck. That's silly to compare a 1 ton truck to an SUV. You said complexity. What's more comes about a land cruiser? What ifs? Whoopty doo. Ifs has been around for over 30 years now. It's reliable. Power wagons have just as many computers as a 200 series cruiser.


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[toylandcruiser]

yep D35 is infinitely stronger than IFS (of any mfg...)

This happened on a pot hole.

This thread has been entertaining though back at it guys!

Ha love it.




"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[RoyJ]

Wow a power wagon does not have a 6000 pound plus payload capacity. Doesn't have a n 11.5" rear end. Not does it have a 800 lbft torque engine. I'm not sure how you went from a power wagon to a 1 ton cummins truck. That's silly to compare a 1 ton truck to an SUV. You said complexity. What's more comes about a land cruiser? What ifs? Whoopty doo. Ifs has been around for over 30 years now. It's reliable. Power wagons have just as many computers as a 200 series cruiser.

You sir, have reading comprehension challenges.

Did I say the PW can carry 6000 lbs? I said its *axle* is used in a truck that can. By definition, is that not "overbuilt"? - i.e. using components designed for a much higher payload, higher torque engine?

So, if the PW shares so much with a 1 ton dually diesel, such as a frame capable of 36,000 lbs GCWR, again, is that not the definition of "overbuilt"?

And quote me where I said a LC has more or less computers than the PW. Just what common part does a 200 series share with a 30 yr old LC? Quick example, my friends LX470's active hydraulic suspension screwed up so many times he finally got a coilover conversion kit.

Finally, before you correct me, get your facts straight:

"An AAM 11.5-inch replaces the AAM 10.5-inch. The 11.5-inch axle was previously found on diesel HD applications"

http://www.fourwheeler.com/news/129-1307-sneak-peek-2014-ram-power-wagon/

 

[Viggen]

WOW, Icon FJ's are not over built! Mall Crawlers! This is a no win conversation.

Yup, you heard me. Mallcrawler. Never will see trail use. Why? $100k+. Oh, and still using the stock frame which is not exactly strong. Sure, he bolted on some parts but that does not make a truck overbuilt really. Well, I guess it is overbuilt. You do not need uprated axles and a Chevrolet V8 to roll over the paving stones on Rodeo Drive...


This thread just gets better and better.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

I hear you. I would have to say that on the 200 series the IFS system is also weak.

And what data points can you offer to back this statement up? Not only is the IFS used on the FJC/Tacoma/4R extremely proven by overland users, the 200 Series stuff is significantly stouter and failures are extremely rare.

Look at the main blogger for expedition portal. All you ever see are toyota's. The 4 runner has been featured many times. It is either land Rovers or Toyota's. I would like to advocate that there is an alternative called Jeep...

That is just it, your not advocating an alternative, your trying to crown a king for a very subjective manner with personal experience that doesn't really lend itself to dictating royalty.

Jeep's are featured regularly on the ExPo landing page and I'm sure we will continue to see that trend continue as the JK continues to gain in popularity both here in the US an abroad. They are a neat platform and folks have shown they are extremely capable all while satisfying their personal needs.

 

[wreckdiver1321]

:lurk:

Man, American vehicle fanboys are hilarious.

 

[dstock]

:lurk:

Man, American vehicle fanboys are hilarious.

Vehicle fanboys in general are hilarious. The whole my brand is better than your brand concept is unbelievably childish.

I especially like the comments from people who won't buy "X" vehicle because everyone has one, or those people only drive to malls, etc. Every brand faces that stereotype these days because those of us who really like to use are vehicles in the back country are a very small percentage of purchasers.

Also, are people seriously worried about what everyone else thinks about their ride? Do people really think they are unique because of the vehicle they are driving? Sorry but that's completely laughable as well.

Drive whatever the hell you want if it works for you...sheesh people!

Can't we all just get along?? Haha!

 

[RoyJ]

Simple human nature. No different why people argue over politics and sports till blue in the face.

Does it really matter who wins the world cup / stanley cup / superbowl / F1,NASCAR,Indy season?

 

[wreckdiver1321]

Vehicle fanboys in general are hilarious. The whole my brand is better than your brand concept is unbelievably childish.

I especially like the comments from people who won't buy "X" vehicle because everyone has one, or those people only drive to malls, etc. Every brand faces that stereotype these days because those of us who really like to use are vehicles in the back country are a very small percentage of purchasers.

Also, are people seriously worried about what everyone else thinks about their ride? Do people really think they are unique because of the vehicle they are driving? Sorry but that's completely laughable as well.

Drive whatever the hell you want if it works for you...sheesh people!

Can't we all just get along?? Haha!

^ This!

 

[toylandcruiser]

You sir, have reading comprehension challenges.

Did I say the PW can carry 6000 lbs? I said its *axle* is used in a truck that can. By definition, is that not "overbuilt"? - i.e. using components designed for a much higher payload, higher torque engine?

So, if the PW shares so much with a 1 ton dually diesel, such as a frame capable of 36,000 lbs GCWR, again, is that not the definition of "overbuilt"?

And quote me where I said a LC has more or less computers than the PW. Just what common part does a 200 series share with a 30 yr old LC? Quick example, my friends LX470's active hydraulic suspension screwed up so many times he finally got a coilover conversion kit.

Finally, before you correct me, get your facts straight:

"An AAM 11.5-inch replaces the AAM 10.5-inch. The 11.5-inch axle was previously found on diesel HD applications"

http://www.fourwheeler.com/news/129-1307-sneak-peek-2014-ram-power-wagon/

You starts buy saying the power wagon is super durable and the cruiser has lots is electronic whatever's. I replied. Then you said how a dodge can carry 6000 pounds blah blah huge frame blah blah and cummins this. So 1+1 equals 2 means the conversation is still going about the power wagon. Because in your mind you jumped from a power wagon to a totally different truck is not my fault.


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[RoyJ]

You starts buy saying the power wagon is super durable and the cruiser has lots is electronic whatever's. I replied. Then you said how a dodge can carry 6000 pounds blah blah huge frame blah blah and cummins this. So 1+1 equals 2 means the conversation is still going about the power wagon. Because in your mind you jumped from a power wagon to a totally different truck is not my fault.

Here's what I said:

That's the same *axle* that allowed a 22,000+ lbs towing capacity, 6000+ lbs payload, all the while behind an 800lb-ft Cummins in the 2010 - 2012 HD Rams.

That's pretty clear IMO. It's obvious the PW doesn't have a Cummins, and I specifically referenced a previous model year Ram HD.

I think you're reading too much into my posts and seeing things that's not there. Just to be clear, I am in no way knocking the LCs, but rather, stating things subjectively. I was actually defending them to start:

They're high quality trucks, with components that are designed to last, for the most part. The 100/200's over complicated luxry electronics won't be desirable for overlanding.

I stated the benefits of LCs - high build quality, mostly designed to last, but also the downsides: complicated electronics after 100/200. Complicated electronics != not durable or capable, I never said that. So don't know why you brought in the "IFS" issue. The H1 has IFS and I even labeled it as "overbuilt".

The fact LCs are not "over built" is just that, a fact. If you like to debate that, provide counter facts. I did for the PW.

 

[libarata]

You are all wrong. The most durable, powerful, long-distancing, sexy, masculine, overlanding, panty-dropping, expedition, 4x4, dirt champion out there, is my 99 Forester with Roofrack. Go back to bed, and stop crying to each other.

:safari-rig: Look, ExPo even has a representation of it in rough form.

 

[WrenchMonkey]

Simple human nature. No different why people argue over politics and sports till blue in the face.

I will take one exception here: Your choice of politics does have the capacity to impact my life. I could care less what you drive, what team you like, what beer you drink. But if you and enough of your friends vote to ban X, Y, and Z, I might be left S, O and L...

Robert

 

[marktutone]

:lurk:

Man, American vehicle fanboys are hilarious.

I get a kick out people like you that make dumb comments as if you are not a “fanboy” Come on admit it. You are a closet fanboy. Really no one can see you admit it.

 

[unkamonkey]

I hate to throw fuel on the fire here. Consider what any of these vehicles will be like in 53 years. My 1961 CJ3B still get's me around well and it has been doing so for over 23 years.
Buy what you want, run it and be quiet, please...