Most affordable, fuel efficient 4x4 set up

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I always :rolleyes: a bit when people get rid of a paid-for gas hog in order to buy a "more fuel efficient" vehicle that they have to make payments on.

Sure, it doesn't use as much gas but now you're getting $500 vacuumed out of your checking account each month. Could buy a lot of gas with that. ;)
 

Dalko43

Explorer
How much is MPG worth? In 100k miles ($2.50/gal) the difference between 16 and 18mpg is $1,736. Pretty small in the grand scheme of things. Nice if you don't have to pay other "costs" to get it, however.

Cost-wise I agree; a small mpg discrepancy matters very little over short and even long term ownership.

Range-wise I'd say mpg is somewhat relevant to people on this forum. But once you get to a certain fuel tank size (+30 gallons), you can easily start to compensate for subpar mpg's by adding a few jerry cans to the back bumper or pickup bed.
 
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How much is MPG worth? In 100k miles ($2.50/gal) the difference between 16 and 18mpg is $1,736. Pretty small in the grand scheme of things. Nice if you don't have to pay other "costs" to get it, however.


Your math just showed that you can upgrade from the N/A V6 in the F150 to the 2.7 and still come out ahead ;-)
 

rruff

Explorer
Your math just showed that you can upgrade from the N/A V6 in the F150 to the 2.7 and still come out ahead ;-)

EPA has them 1.0 mpg different in favor of the 2.7, but I suspect in the real world it will be less than that: https://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2019/mpg/#style=401769065

The thing that sucks is that you have to buy the Lariat to get the 2.7 and 4x4. This is typical; you have to spend extra $$$ on other upgrades to get the most efficient engine.
 

jacobconroy

Hillbilly of Leisure
Subaru Outback is a good vehicle, but you will end up in a situation where having a low range gear may be crucial.
I have done 12 k miles around the country, including the dirt roads of the west, in my Saab wagon but I realized that not only a high clearance is important, also and an adequate gearing matters too.

I second this. I bought a 2016 Outback with the intention of "overlanding" with it. We have the six-banger and a Baroud RTT. Still gets 25 MPG with the tent and it's an awesome, economical, and comfortable drive when you are going far. It has also been 100% reliable for three years. X-Mode acts like granny-gear, but I've only used it on very icy roads (and it worked).

But, ground clearance was a deal breaker. After finding out that I couldn't make it through the last 100 feet to a lot of my favorite camping spots (without fear of breaking my new car), I switched back to the Wrangler. Subaru says that the Outback has 8 inches of clearance, but the bottom of the car is more or less flat. Any 9 inch rock or dip in the road is nerve-racking and you will really need a spotter. Deep burrow-pit while turning off a FS road to a camp site? Too bad. Find a different spot or hike to your camp fire. :cry:
 
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EPA has them 1.0 mpg different in favor of the 2.7, but I suspect in the real world it will be less than that: https://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2019/mpg/#style=401769065

The thing that sucks is that you have to buy the Lariat to get the 2.7 and 4x4. This is typical; you have to spend extra $$$ on other upgrades to get the most efficient engine.


Uhhh... Nope. You can get the 2.7 in an XLT as well as an XL.

Also, the N/A V6 is a dog.... a dog with limited resale value.
 
This thread has meandered in many interesting directions. But if we go back to the original question regarding an affordable 4x4 for mild overlanding and camping, there are a few major considerations:

1) Initial cost vs resale.
2) Cost (and hassle) of maintenance and repairs.
3) Cost of fuel.
4) Cost of insurance and registration.

1 and 4 favor used vehicles most of the time. But if we stick with new trucks, the best values are usually found on "tradesman" models with V6 NA gas engines. Plus the V6 will return an extra 1-2 mpg. Look for last years model that has been sitting on a dealer lot too long. Do nationwide searches. Flying there and driving home isn't a bad idea if it's the right truck for the right price.

People seem to focus on MPG too much IMO, and ignore depreciation. Depreciation may work against that V6 (versus the same truck with a more powerful engine), so make sure the deal is quite good to start with. A $50k truck will depreciate more than a $25k model. 10 years and 100k miles later the first might drop $25k in value while the other drops only $10k, a $15k difference in cost. People buying old trucks are more concerned about utility than bling. Different makes will also tend to depreciate differently. When I was looking, a 10 year old 100k mile Tundra was worth about $5k more than a comparable F150 (book value). I didn't look at Ram, but they were probably worse.

How much is MPG worth? In 100k miles ($2.50/gal) the difference between 16 and 18mpg is $1,736. Pretty small in the grand scheme of things. Nice if you don't have to pay other "costs" to get it, however.

Good points! Honestly had not put to much thought into that. Thanks!
 

Todd n Natalie

OverCamper
As fellow albertian here who spends much to much time on Kijiji you just can’t touch the Fords right now on pricing. I’ve got both a 3.5 and a 5l super cab in my favourites for 33k and 32.5k respectively. Both with the 136l tank and the rear locker. Both 2018s new on the lot. Once in a while a tundra will come up just under 40 if you watch. Maybe waiting for “red tag days” or a special. Tacoma’s are 43~, gmc/ Chevy are 37+ by the time they have a 5.3l and the 2019 are a new model at damn near 50k. Same with Ram. You will be real tight getting a heavy duty into your parkade, and getting one new under 40k might be a dream. Nice but sure not cheap. Jeeps are 60k by the time rubicon is on the hood.

Also a colour matched canopy/ topper with a queen mattress make for a decent sleep. Let’s call that 2500$. So still a couple thousand under 40. There’s a reason f150 is Canada’s most popular selling vehicle. Cheap like borsch.
Another Albertan here. I concur with the above. That's why I ended up with a F150. Couldn't find a Tundra that could offer equivalent options / mileage for the price I got the Ford at. To get a similarly optioned Tundra for the same money it would have had way higher mileage. That being said, I'm pretty happy with my truck.
 

Todd n Natalie

OverCamper
Forgot to ask was also just curious how the real world fuel milage is on the 5.0l?
Right now, in winter I'm averaging 12.9L / 100 kms. My commute is 60 kms freeway / highway to work then back. I set the cruise at 102 km/h. So ideal commute for fuel economy. In the summer I usually average 9.5 / 10 L/100. My truck is stock with the 3:73 gear ratio and stock size Goodyear Duratracs. Hope that helps.
 

ulyist

New member
Rove did you make any decisions? I’m curious if they will blow out all the old body style gmc/chev trucks soon now that the new ones are sitting at the dealers.
 
Rove did you make any decisions? I’m curious if they will blow out all the old body style gmc/chev trucks soon now that the new ones are sitting at the dealers.

I am working on a decision lol, Might be going with a different truck then what I was thinking, A fairly basic Chevy Colorado, starting to talk to a dealer to see what kind of deal could be worked out. In the end the Chevy Colorado is just what I like, and I have some ideas for sleeping.
 
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Right now, in winter I'm averaging 12.9L / 100 kms. My commute is 60 kms freeway / highway to work then back. I set the cruise at 102 km/h. So ideal commute for fuel economy. In the summer I usually average 9.5 / 10 L/100. My truck is stock with the 3:73 gear ratio and stock size Goodyear Duratracs. Hope that helps.
Thanks for the info!
 

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