Need advice & feedback: LC 100 1-3+ year expedition

[Pskhaat]

a new one requires the use of premium fuel. This may not be an issue in reality, but I would want to make absolutely certain that premium fuel is available in the areas you plan to travel.

I was just thinking that today, that I forgot to post that many gasoline/petrol 100s require high-test fuel. I'm digressing, but a desmog'd, de-computer'd, carb'd FJ80 w/ manual tranny & manual adjust dizzy would be my choice, but I'm weird like that

 

[Scott Brady]

One possibility would be something from www.tlc4x4.com. I think their offerings may be a bit on the side of high price/low value, but you have the option of a completely restored Land Cruiser from what ever vintage you like.

Great suggestion. Jonathan Ward takes great pride in the condition and reliability of his reconditioned units. I would highly suggest a call to him.

Toyota even recognized his skills, saying that the FJ40's he sells are BETTER than Toyota made them. Quite a compliment.

I have also been to his shop and spent time with Jonathan. No issues there.

 

[ChuckB]

When I win the lottery I'm going to TLC with a blank check and coming home with a 40, 60, 80...and a 100 for wife :jump:

I agree with big green and Calamaridog, because time is such a constraint, a newish Tacoma is probably the best way to go. I'd be confident with any new toyota and a bunch of spares. Of course if time wasn't an issue, I personnally would go with a well sorted out 60 or 80. But that's just my inexperienced opinion from a wagon guy.

 

[Scott Brady]

My Final Answer

Well, now that I have had a few days to mull on your requirements and do some research, this is my recommendation.

It satisfies the most compelling need, which is to leave quickly.

Vehicle:
2006 Toyota Tacoma Access Cab 4wd, 6-Speed manual

Options:
Convenience Package (CP) -- power windows/door locks/outside mirrors, remote keyless entry system, cruise control and sliding rear window with privacy glass

SR5 Package #2 (SL) -- Convenience Package #1 plus chrome grille surround and rear bumper, color-keyed front bumper and color-keyed overfenders (PreRunner and 4x4 models only), metallic-tone instrument panel trim, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift lever, variable intermittent windshield wipers, sun visors with sliding extensions and vanity mirror, SR5 badging, upgraded seat fabric, driver's seat with lumbar support, and fog lamps (V6 models only).

TRD Off-Road Package (OC) -- SR5 Package #2 plus off-road tuned suspension with Bilstein® shocks, 16-in. alloy wheels with P265/70R16 BFGoodrich® Rugged Trail T/A tires, locking rear differential, engine skidplate and fuel tank protector, front tow hook, 115V/400-watt deck mounted power outlet, multi-function overhead console with compass and temperature gauge, sport seats with sport fabric and driver's lumbar support and sport fabric, and TRD Off-Road graphics (V6 models)

V6 Towing Package[2] -- Class-4 towing hitch, transmission oil cooler (automatic transmission models), supplemental engine oil cooler, heavy-duty battery, 130-amp alternator and 7-pin connector with converter

Vehicle Modifications:

Suspension- Front: Donahoe 2.5" Coil-Overs set to 1.5" lift. Rear: Deaver 11 leaf pack set to 2" lift. Alignment.

Tires- Set of 5, BFGoodrich 265/75 R16 Load Rating E. Provides greatest load and damage resistance while maintaining fuel economy and road traction. Size is common in the Americas.

Front: Install ARB Bull-Bar and Warn 9.5XP winch. Use new Viking Off-Road roller fairlead and synthetic line for weight savings and improved safety. Install CB antenna. Install one each, IPF 900xs (fully sealed and waterproof, all metal housing) in spot (mounted to drivers side) and driving (mounted to passenger side).

Engine- Upgrade battery to yellow top optima or Odyssey. Install Sure Power battery separator (model 1314-200). Purchase the following spares: Upper and lower radiator hose, alternator, starter, oil filter (x2), air filter (x2), engine belt.
Note: do not use aftermarket alarm system. Ignition kill switch ok.

Cab- Install CB, install sat phone, driver and passenger headlamps around headrests. Install seat covers, install HD floor mats. light tint on all side window (security). secondary door locks, steering wheel lock. Install Garmin 478 GPS

Access Cab- Remove seats, install Engel 45 fridge on slide-n-lock, secure storage for computers and cameras. document file. Mount aerial flares (security and safety), mount road flares, mount fire extinguisher.

Bed- Fourwheeler Eagle Camper 6'5"

Options:
REFRIGERATOR (3-WAY) 1.9 CU.FT $700.00
POWER ROOF VENT (Fantastic Fan) $295.00
AUTOMATIC FORCED AIR FURNACE (16,000 BTU) $495.00
FRONT SLIDING WINDOW $175.00
SLIDING WINDOW BOOT $85.00
ELECTRIC WATER PUMP (standard on Hawk & Grandby campers) $95.00
SWING-OUT BRACKETS FOR FRONT JACKS (Required for Mid Sized Trucks) $125.00
AUXILIARY BATTERY SYSTEM $395.00
AWNING $585.00
AWNING LIGHT (PASS. SIDE ONLY) $45.00
PORTA-POTTIE $86.00
SCREEN DOOR $235.00
ARCTIC PACK (REMOVABLE INSULATED LINER) $475.00
REAR WALL STEPS (For Access To Roof) $195.00
12 VOLT OUTLET (Optional on Shell Models - otherwise 1 standard) $45.00
FLUORESCENT LIGHTS - SET OF 2 (upgrade from incandescent) $95.00
OPTIONAL FURNACE FOR SHELL MODELS w/ PROPANE TANK $675.00
SOLAR PANEL- ROOF MOUNT - 50 WATT $560.00
EXTENDED LENGTH YAKIMA "TRACKS ONLY" (UP TO 120") -- INSTALLED $230.00
YAKIMA ROOF RACK SYSTEM (120" tracks, 4 towers, 2 bars, 4 locks) $515.00

Additional camper modifications:
Dual Wedco fuel cans on roof rack, Yakima luggage pod. Possible second spare.

Rear of truck:
ExtremeAir Compressor, frame mounted with 5 gallon tank.

 

[Scott Brady]

Why I made the above recommendation:

1. Availability (everything can be sourced today and installed locally)
2. Fuel Economy: Even loaded, the Tacoma should return better than 18 mpg on the highway.
3. Maximum galley and sleeping comfort, inclement weather retreat
4. Maximum payload (1,600 lbs.)
5. Simplicity: No unnecessary features, no leather, 6-speed manual, etc.
6. Excellent road and terrain performance (good GC, factory locker, etc.)
7. World platform: The Tacoma now shares much with the drivetrain and systems of the hi-lux.
8. $50,000 solution, turn-key and engineered. All products are tested, no custom work required.

 

[Jonathan Hanson]

Having owned a FourWheel Popup for many years, I agree with Scott on this, and with the choice of a Tacoma as well. I think the combination would make a superb expedition setup, and be much handier than a Sportsmobile.

The great thing about the Four Wheel camper, besides its durability and light weight, is the speed of setup. It takes 30 seconds to raise the roof and provide yourself with a home. When you're tired or sick - or just want a quick lunch - this is a fantastic feature. And the Tacoma/Four Wheel combination is modest enough not to set off as many rich-American alarms as bigger vehicles. The Four Wheel camper is reasonably secure - we installed window bars on ours to prevent casual break-ins. As Vince has pointed out in another thread, storage is not a strong point, but if you store your extra personal luggage on the floor, you just toss it up on the bed while cooking or sitting.

I agree about the problematic need for premium fuel. A truck should run on regular gas. I wonder if the computer could be tweaked? It's supposed to compensate anyway with the knock sensor, but I'm not sure what leeway for octane is built in.

I wouldn't expect 18 mpg on the highway with a new Tacoma and a camper. We got around 16-17 with our 2000 V6 automatic Tacoma and the camper. Still not bad for a full-on expedition vehicle and house.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

What are your opinions on having it vs. being fully locked or both locked & TRAC'd. (Shotts, I think we already now where you stand )

I know nothing. :xxrotflma

 

[ShottsCruisers]

It would be insane to consider a high mileage FZJ80 over a low mileage UZJ100. Vehicle age should scare the world traveler! And since when did the FZJ80 vehicle become LESS complex than the newer UZJ100? The FZJ80 is a modern vehicle, with modern (older) electrical components. How is this any less complex?

I remember last year in Moab where the question was asked of master mechanic Robbie (Slee's ex lead machanic): "Between the 80 and the 100...which model would be more reliable overall and the easier to diagnose/make repairs on"? His answer was the 100....keep in mind the term "overall" was used.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

Well, now that I have had a few days to mull on your requirements and do some research, this is my recommendation.

It satisfies the most compelling need, which is to leave quickly.

Vehicle:
2006 Toyota Tacoma Access Cab 4wd, 6-Speed manual

Options:
Convenience Package (CP) -- power windows/door locks/outside mirrors, remote keyless entry system, cruise control and sliding rear window with privacy glass

SR5 Package #2 (SL) -- Convenience Package #1 plus chrome grille surround and rear bumper, color-keyed front bumper and color-keyed overfenders (PreRunner and 4x4 models only), metallic-tone instrument panel trim, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift lever, variable intermittent windshield wipers, sun visors with sliding extensions and vanity mirror, SR5 badging, upgraded seat fabric, driver's seat with lumbar support, and fog lamps (V6 models only).

TRD Off-Road Package (OC) -- SR5 Package #2 plus off-road tuned suspension with Bilstein® shocks, 16-in. alloy wheels with P265/70R16 BFGoodrich® Rugged Trail T/A tires, locking rear differential, engine skidplate and fuel tank protector, front tow hook, 115V/400-watt deck mounted power outlet, multi-function overhead console with compass and temperature gauge, sport seats with sport fabric and driver's lumbar support and sport fabric, and TRD Off-Road graphics (V6 models)

V6 Towing Package[2] -- Class-4 towing hitch, transmission oil cooler (automatic transmission models), supplemental engine oil cooler, heavy-duty battery, 130-amp alternator and 7-pin connector with converter

Vehicle Modifications:

Suspension- Front: Donahoe 2.5" Coil-Overs set to 1.5" lift. Rear: Deaver 11 leaf pack set to 2" lift. Alignment.

Tires- Set of 5, BFGoodrich 265/75 R16 Load Rating E. Provides greatest load and damage resistance while maintaining fuel economy and road traction. Size is common in the Americas.

Front: Install ARB Bull-Bar and Warn 9.5XP winch. Use new Viking Off-Road roller fairlead and synthetic line for weight savings and improved safety. Install CB antenna. Install one each, IPF 900xs (fully sealed and waterproof, all metal housing) in spot (mounted to drivers side) and driving (mounted to passenger side).

Engine- Upgrade battery to yellow top optima or Odyssey. Install Sure Power battery separator (model 1314-200). Purchase the following spares: Upper and lower radiator hose, alternator, starter, oil filter (x2), air filter (x2), engine belt.
Note: do not use aftermarket alarm system. Ignition kill switch ok.

Cab- Install CB, install sat phone, driver and passenger headlamps around headrests. Install seat covers, install HD floor mats. light tint on all side window (security). secondary door locks, steering wheel lock. Install Garmin 478 GPS

Access Cab- Remove seats, install Engel 45 fridge on slide-n-lock, secure storage for computers and cameras. document file. Mount aerial flares (security and safety), mount road flares, mount fire extinguisher.

Bed- Fourwheeler Eagle Camper 6'5"

Options:
REFRIGERATOR (3-WAY) 1.9 CU.FT $700.00
POWER ROOF VENT (Fantastic Fan) $295.00
AUTOMATIC FORCED AIR FURNACE (16,000 BTU) $495.00
FRONT SLIDING WINDOW $175.00
SLIDING WINDOW BOOT $85.00
ELECTRIC WATER PUMP (standard on Hawk & Grandby campers) $95.00
SWING-OUT BRACKETS FOR FRONT JACKS (Required for Mid Sized Trucks) $125.00
AUXILIARY BATTERY SYSTEM $395.00
AWNING $585.00
AWNING LIGHT (PASS. SIDE ONLY) $45.00
PORTA-POTTIE $86.00
SCREEN DOOR $235.00
ARCTIC PACK (REMOVABLE INSULATED LINER) $475.00
REAR WALL STEPS (For Access To Roof) $195.00
12 VOLT OUTLET (Optional on Shell Models - otherwise 1 standard) $45.00
FLUORESCENT LIGHTS - SET OF 2 (upgrade from incandescent) $95.00
OPTIONAL FURNACE FOR SHELL MODELS w/ PROPANE TANK $675.00
SOLAR PANEL- ROOF MOUNT - 50 WATT $560.00
EXTENDED LENGTH YAKIMA "TRACKS ONLY" (UP TO 120") -- INSTALLED $230.00
YAKIMA ROOF RACK SYSTEM (120" tracks, 4 towers, 2 bars, 4 locks) $515.00

Additional camper modifications:
Dual Wedco fuel cans on roof rack, Yakima luggage pod. Possible second spare.

Rear of truck:
ExtremeAir Compressor, frame mounted with 5 gallon tank.

Wow....how can one argue with this setup? :luxhello:

It's amazing how with Toyota (many models) you simply cannot go wrong!

 

[bigreen505]

And the Tacoma/Four Wheel combination is modest enough not to set off as many rich-American alarms as bigger vehicles.

Jonathan has, in one sentence, perfectly described my biggest concern about the Sportsmobile. That would be quite a leap from the motorcycles.

The expedition vehicle that Scott outlined for you sounds perfect based on all your requirements. Again, I would still recommend getting the cabin lined with Dynamat or similar.

 

[Pskhaat]

Dan quoted me a price of $118 each for a set a few weeks ago.

Mike, I just called Dan and the 100 series steel rims are still not available; are you talking about the 80 series steelies?

 

[mountainpete]

Having owned a FourWheel Popup for many years, I agree with Scott on this, and with the choice of a Tacoma as well. I think the combination would make a superb expedition setup, and be much handier than a Sportsmobile.

The great thing about the Four Wheel camper, besides its durability and light weight, is the speed of setup. It takes 30 seconds to raise the roof and provide yourself with a home. When you're tired or sick - or just want a quick lunch - this is a fantastic feature. And the Tacoma/Four Wheel combination is modest enough not to set off as many rich-American alarms as bigger vehicles. The Four Wheel camper is reasonably secure - we installed window bars on ours to prevent casual break-ins. As Vince has pointed out in another thread, storage is not a strong point, but if you store your extra personal luggage on the floor, you just toss it up on the bed while cooking or sitting.

I agree about the problematic need for premium fuel. A truck should run on regular gas. I wonder if the computer could be tweaked? It's supposed to compensate anyway with the knock sensor, but I'm not sure what leeway for octane is built in.

I wouldn't expect 18 mpg on the highway with a new Tacoma and a camper. We got around 16-17 with our 2000 V6 automatic Tacoma and the camper. Still not bad for a full-on expedition vehicle and house.

The FourWheel Campers are very nice units...

Not sure if it's an issue, but I noticed that with the 2006 Tacoma requires external tie downs in order to accomidate the composite bed. Anyone know if the different system creates any issues for off-road durability or security of the shell?

 

[Mike S]

Mike, I just called Dan and the 100 series steel rims are still not available; are you talking about the 80 series steelies?

Scott - yes. FZJ80 wheels. Sorry for the confusion. I don't know much about the 100 series.

M

 

[Jonathan Hanson]

MountainPete, good question about the composite bed. I can't imagine Toyota didn't take campers into account when designing it, but you never know. I suspect you might have to mount the camper through the bed into whatever the compsite bed is anchored to itself.

A nimble, self-contained camper setup is wonderful for true overland exploration, when you won't always be able to schedule a scenic wilderness campsite for the night. Often on the road we would hit the wall well short of our goal, but be able to pull off in any convenient spot and have a secure and comfortable night. Truck stop, someone's driveway, any place would serve. A couple of times we slept in dicey enough circumstances that we left the window sliders open into the cab, so one of us could dive through and drive off if there was trouble.

 

[CLynn85]

A couple of times we slept in dicey enough circumstances that we left the window sliders open into the cab, so one of us could dive through and drive off if there was trouble.

I have to ask, did you ever have to do this?