New Defender Concept

[LR Max]

LR is being smart about their market. They see the Big daddy rangies flying off their lot. They see the kind of people that are buying these trucks. They aren't like myself, someone who wants to know the diff gear ratio and wants to take it camping every weekend. They are mothers that want a giant station wagon. They are the man of the house who drives to work everyday in a suit. They are for rappers. Flashy rims, full decked out interiors, tons of engine power, and back up cameras are what these customers want.

LR would be foolish to ignore this.

That said, the DC100 would be awesome if I lived next to the beach and surfed everyday. If it could be lifted and nice tires put on it with cool bumpers and rear tire carrier with lights above the windshield, then it would fit in with the K5 blazers and Classic Broncos. Make it a 4 door and now you are into the JK unlimited market (in theory...my theory). Make it comfortable enough for everyday but easily removable doors and a soft top that doesn't require a degree in engineering to remove with some aggressive style. Boom. There ya go. Most won't ever see dirt and when bought second hand the transfer case lever will be frozen but that is how it is.

For a Defender replacement, they really need a LC70 competitor. A mix of modern technology to augment simplicity and the sprinkle of creature comfort...in the form of A/C.

Jeep hit an unbelievable home run with the JK unlimited. It says, "You can drive me everyday. Take the kids to school or the whole family on vacation since I'm comfortable enough. Or you can take the top and doors off, grab low range and RAWR I ROCK CRAWL." Friggen brilliant what they did there. The standard 2 door has kept with the Jeep Heritage IMO. A 2 door Rubi is unbelievably capable straight out of the box. Holy smokes. Overall, owns the Defender.

 

[discotdi]

It is nice to have news articles posted for all to see. However, Dendy and other non LR types tend to just post negative or perceived negative stuff. Also, I still don't really "get" why a non LR guy wants to post. I don't venture into the other sections because I don't give a toss what's going on there. And if I do check out a build thread etc I'm not going to post negative stuff. You know it's ok to know your kids ugly, but nobody else better say it! It's kind of the same here.
And I have seen two different articles lately that suggest the New Defender will come here. One said based on the DC100 the other said the DC100 was headed in a different direction. I think we will just need to wait and see.
Also how about finding a different hero already, Scott Brady is busy. Dendy you angling for a job? Or just BFF status?
You did build a nice jeep though, as far as jeeps go

 

[Dendy Jarrett]

You missed it above, but I do still love Land Rovers. That is why I post here. IF LR ever introduced something that would compete with the 'overall' features of the JKU (meaning function and form), I would certainly consider it, as long as it wasn't priced like their Big Body Rangies. (especially the bling'd versions).
No, not angling for a job and probably far from BFF status. Scott has just taken the time on occasion to provide some very good and useful advice via e-mail. He's just a guy that gets up and puts on his Mountain Khaki's just like the rest of us each day!
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[TexasTJ]

Dendy owned more Land Rovers than most people on the board. Just because he dose not have one now is not a reason to try to push him away from the conversation. You guys sound like a bunch of Jeep Owners Bitching about how a Rubicon is not a Real jeep because its bought not built. Grow up. PS as a former Disco owner and some one looking to get a Series Rover and owns a JK unlimited, I to thank the DC100 is lame. If Jeep can hit a homer with the JK Rover can do it to with a modern Defender.

 

[ipgregory]

Dendy owned more Land Rovers than most people on the board. Just because he dose not have one now is not a reason to try to push him away from the conversation. You guys sound like a bunch of Jeep Owners Bitching about how a Rubicon is not a Real jeep because its bought not built. Grow up. PS as a former Disco owner and some one looking to get a Series Rover and owns a JK unlimited, I to thank the DC100 is lame. If Jeep can hit a homer with the JK Rover can do it to with a modern Defender.

Nobody has an issue with him or anybody else coming over here to discuss his or their love of Land Rovers, etc. problem is I haven't seen 1 positive comment from him regarding them. All I see is LR bashing of one form or another and that is also fairly typical of the non-LR owners who come over here. Not all and not always but more often than not. If he loves the brand so much how is it the majority of his post are or can be construed as negative? Why do we have to be constantly reminded that 'he drives a Jeep'? Good for him, go drive it, enjoy it and then talk about it with other like minded owners.


DC100 might be a very good vehicle in itsown right and another hit for LR. I just hope it's not at the expense of the Defender.

 

[Dendy Jarrett]

Ian:

MOSTLY LAND ROVER FOLKS are the ones poking fun at the DC100. How soon we forget when it was first leaked in photos how much WE all dogged it down. The feedback was so negative a LR exec left the company over it (and then they tried to mask it with some other personal mumbo jumbo- I have a friend in the UK whose dad works at the factory- so I now the skinny).

The only negative comments I have made are to point to the reported links I put up (which are merely news feeds).
All other derogatory comments are the same things I complained about when I owned rovers ... as do you!

Dont throw me under the bus, unless you're prepared to join me.

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PS: Ian, I don't take all of this that serious. It is a truck after-all.

 

[discotdi]

The DC100 sucks for sure. I'll give you that. LR screwed up by calling it the Defender replacement. Should have called Freelander replacement then we would all like it.

Dendy, when is Jeep putting the 2.8 or 3.0 diesel in the Wrangler any idea? If that happens I will have a hard time passing it up.

 

[Dendy Jarrett]

Dendy, when is Jeep putting the 2.8 or 3.0 diesel in the Wrangler any idea? If that happens I will have a hard time passing it up.

That's the million dollar question. I saw Scott's (Scootr29) Jeep Grand Cherokee at the Elk Watch that is a CRD truck. Very nicely built and he has done a tremendous build. I had pretty much gotten over Diesel lust until I saw his truck in action and heard the sweet purr of that diesel!
His build is here:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/72495-Scootr29-Build-Up-2008-Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-CRD
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[discotdi]

You know I can't go there:ylsmoke:

 

[Dendy Jarrett]

You know I can't go there:ylsmoke:

Believe it or not, his JGC CRD was very Land Roveresque. Sounded like a 300Tdi coming down the trail.
But, yeah, ... I know ... you can't go there.


Ironically the above truck is owned by Scott, who drove my old LR3 G4 truck in the trials in Nevada (yes, the very truck). He was telling me about driving LR3's through the Nevada desert at 80MPH.
Nice guy!

 

[ipgregory]

I have no issue with posting issue about the DC100 as a Defender replacement, I am of the same opinion as are many, many others as you can tell from this and other threads. I have no issue with bemoaning the apparent direction that LR appears to be taking with its current and proposed future models. What irritates me is when the rest of the older LR line up get pulled in and it becomes a bash on LR in general by non-LR owners who make a point of telling us they dont own them as they have found something better. Good for you. What has Andy's quote to do with suggesting the virtues of the Defender so as to highlight those lacking in the DC100? How does that suggest anything about why the DC100 is a bad replacement for the Defender? It's a knock to the Defender pure and simple and something I disagree with based in my own personal vehicles and my long history with the brand. Rolls Royce's they are not but nor should they be expected to be. If you do then you need to research your vehicles better so as not to become disillusioned with the result of your choice.

Re-read your posts above Dendy, you have pretty much made a veiled and not so veiled stab at pretty much every LR model since the series trucks. What does that have to do with the DC100? I am a long term LR owner just like you profess to have been and I disagree with your opinion of the vehicles and their foibles. You profess a love of them and suggest you've owned 14 or more of them but no longer do so. Yet you still come over here and make disparaging comments about them while at the same time professing your love of them. So which is it? You love them so much you obviously couldn't find one you liked and eventually sold them all to buy a jeep that you suggest is so much better? Where are the positives? What is it you love so much? Why should we consider you any differently to the hoards of other non owners who come over here and bash the brand? Are you here because you want to simply stir up trouble or because you secretly wish you still owned a vehicle with substance and a soul but can't or won't admit it?

I refer again to the campfire comparison. Go to any brand fire and cast nothing but disparaging remarks and see how you are received? You can profess your love all you like, I don't see it. I just see another Non-LR guy, over here being a troll in the LR forum.

 

[Dendy Jarrett]

Ian: Do you live in a state of denial? Land Rover ownership carries with it the constant worry of "what's that noise?", "my front windows won't work, oh, wait, ... now they do", "my sun roof is leaking", "oh, don't mind that standing water in my passenger floor board", "oh, that is just my water pump leaking", ... need I go on.
You learn to love those things at times, and hate them at times. It is part of the card carrying ownership.
I'm not bashing ... but merely stating the facts.
For me, ... I simply tired of accepting those quirks. Doesn't mean that I don't admire the brand of "old" (because I don't like the brand of "new".) Land Rovers still make my head turn, but hey, ... so do older Toyota Cruisers as well. (and for the record, I've ridden in some Cruisers i'd give my left testicle for).

Pointing out facts is not brand bashing.
Reporting on the news links for the DC100 (whatchamacallit) isn't brand bashing either.

It is DC100 bashing, as no matter if it were an entry level truck below or equal to the Freelander, ... I still don't like it because if falls into the oh-so-many nondescript lack character cars and trucks of today, ... carrying with it no identifiable heritage.

And trolling ... no. If I hadn't posted those links and made comments on it, some other land rover owner would have. And that's just the truth.

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[AndrewClarke]

Allow me to rebut your points one-by-one:

"what's that noise?"

What noise? I can't hear anything over my 200tdi.

"my front windows won't work, oh, wait, ... now they do"

I don't see the problem with my vehicle's windows. I crank the crank one way to turn them down, and the other way to put them back up again. Perhaps you should try turning the crank the other way.

"my sun roof is leaking"

Sunroof?

"oh, don't mind that standing water in my passenger floor board"

CLEARLY you don't know anything about Land Rovers. Water pools in the driver's side of my Land Rover.

"oh, that is just my water pump leaking"

That's a design feature. It's how you can tell you still have coolant. You've got to hand it to the Brits; they really do think of everything.

 

[Dendy Jarrett]

BwaHaHaHa.

Water leaked in my passenger side from the heater box ... on 4 of my trucks ... I can't remember which. And in my Classic, the heater box exploded driving 70 down the interstate - sounded like a canon and temporarily deafened me. And quickly filled the cabin with piping hot steam, so I couldn't see where I was going. Thank GOD I wasn't killed, as I was driving deaf and blind!

If I could't have found a Classic or Disco with Crank windows ... I'd been all over it. Would have converted every one of them to crank windows had it been an option!
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[AndrewClarke]

2015 Land Rover Defender WON’T look like DC100 Concept

I'll beat Dendy to the latest news posting: http://www.carsuk.net/2015-land-rover-defender-wont-look-like-dc100-ceoncept/

Land Rover really is all over the place with this one, or at least the reporting is.