New Defender News

ChasingOurTrunks

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I think they’re just using the name. Honestly a more accurate name would be “utility” like the later last gen 110’s. A pop top is still possible with a fixed roof they did with the LR3/4 and newer unibody vans.

Thanks, that’s what I was thinking too.

I am looking forward to seeing one in person. Hard for me to tell if they really lend themselves to that pop top/conversion arrangement from photos - it looks too small but folks keep saying they are bigger than they seem. Now I’m off to go learn more about the pop tops you’ve mentioned! No shortage of creative designers out there.
 

Carson G

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Thanks, that’s what I was thinking too.

I am looking forward to seeing one in person. Hard for me to tell if they really lend themselves to that pop top/conversion arrangement from photos - it looks too small but folks keep saying they are bigger than they seem. Now I’m off to go learn more about the pop tops you’ve mentioned! No shortage of creative designers out there.
My guess is the 110 will be on the small side. Supposedly a longer 130 is coming so that will be better for a pop top.
 

soflorovers

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The flag makes the square look so much better IMO.
Better, but I'm still holding out for a proper "delete kit". LK8 took the square off of theirs but it still had the exposed mounting holes. I'd happily pay $100 for a kit that makes the delete look OEM. Honestly, shouldn't be more than a few shiney black caps. But what do I know?
 

mpinco

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Jaguar Future At Risk As Owner Tata Motors Ponders JLR Recovery Plan


".....Tata Motors need to decide what to do with its loss-making JLR subsidiary. JLR lost 422 million pounds ($525 million) before tax in the year ended March 31, after losing 3.6 billion pounds ($4.5 billion) in the 2019 financial year. (Jaguar’s numbers are not revealed). So JLR has been in financial trouble for some time, and fallout from the coronavirus crisis will have brought the need for existential decisions to a head.

Tata Motors said in mid-June, action will be decided in a few weeks, so that suggests the news will break before August.

Industry experts reckon the Land Rover arm of Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) could use some rationalization as it fights its way out of a self-imposed diesel-dead end......."
 
I'll stick with steelies or aluminum with a more utilitarian aspect behind them; little too much bling factor for my taste but good to see people jumping on with more options.

I do like the yellow wrap though.
 

mpinco

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FYI ..................

Jaguar Land Rover's shortlist of executives to succeed CEO Ralf Speth includes ex-BMW development chief Klaus Froehlich and former Audi CEO Bram Schot, the Financial Times reported. The announcement could come as early as this week,
 

naks

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Took the Rangie for its annual service yesterday, and had a look at the demo they had on the floor.

It looks smaller IRL than in photos, IMHO.

Sitting position and driver's view is pretty good.

Pedals are still way close together for comfortable left-foot braking.

The boot is not as big as I expected, but the side curvatures of the opening means that you lose a lot of space if you were to fit a drawer system.


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ChasingOurTrunks

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I fully acknowledge that it might be too early to know answers to these questions, but I’m wondering if anyone has any information or news on how these new Defenders break? I’m thinking of the Defender for a long-term/long distance 4x4 touring platform, and for that it actually looks pretty good in a lot of ways. It’s a truly global, high-payload 4x4 platform (one of the only 4x4 global platforms available in North America), it’s obviously quite capable based on the numerous reports and videos, and the dealer network is quite good — from Mongolia to Argentina and many points in between. So, it seems that routine, scheduled services on a major grand tour won’t be a deal breaker.

The big unknown for me (having never owned a LR, and only looking at this from reputation) is how does this new Defender break? All rigs break, but a good Overland rig will break in a way that allows the driver to patch it up trail side and get back for a proper repair later. Some rigs though will sit down when a sensor is tripped, and they may not be repairable trail side. Which category is the Defender in?

- The Air Suspension seems to be the most common complaint or concern on these new Land Rovers. How easy is it to swap sensors on air bag systems? I know the sensors are not known for reliability in high vibration environments, but if one goes bad, how big of a job is it to swap in a new one trail side? Sensors are tiny and bringing a handful of spares should be fairly easy, but if changing a sensor requires a full hub disassembly (as opposed to a few turns with a ratchet), that has a huge impact on trail side repair ability.

- Related, what happens if a stick or sharp rock puts a hole in a bag? Is that’s even possible? And Is that a trail side repair to deflate the bag and swap in a new one, or is it more complex than that?

- Also related, is there a way of manually adjusting the airbags if the automatic system fails and continue the journey, or is the rig a bit like an iPhone -- if there’s a problem, beyond turning it off and back on again, you need an Apple Store?

- And finally question about this suspension - how symmetrical is the Defender? For example, does the driver front airbag and sensor match with the passenger rear airbag and sensor in terms of part numbers? It’s easy to bring along spare parts but having symmetry means that you aren’t turning your new Defender into a Ship of Theseus situation with a whole slew of unique spares filling up the trunk!

- Does anyone know what kinds of fault codes will cause the Defender to ‘sit down’? And can codes be reset with a standard OBDII scanner/mobile app and dongle?

PowerfulUK’s Youtube video of his defender throwing an error because of that melted bracket (video since deleted) suggests that the car will warn, but not shutdown (at least in that particular part), so that’s promising but I’ve not heard any other examples of the new Defender breaking yet to give further insight.
 

Carson G

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I fully acknowledge that it might be too early to know answers to these questions, but I’m wondering if anyone has any information or news on how these new Defenders break? I’m thinking of the Defender for a long-term/long distance 4x4 touring platform, and for that it actually looks pretty good in a lot of ways. It’s a truly global, high-payload 4x4 platform (one of the only 4x4 global platforms available in North America), it’s obviously quite capable based on the numerous reports and videos, and the dealer network is quite good — from Mongolia to Argentina and many points in between. So, it seems that routine, scheduled services on a major grand tour won’t be a deal breaker.

The big unknown for me (having never owned a LR, and only looking at this from reputation) is how does this new Defender break? All rigs break, but a good Overland rig will break in a way that allows the driver to patch it up trail side and get back for a proper repair later. Some rigs though will sit down when a sensor is tripped, and they may not be repairable trail side. Which category is the Defender in?

- The Air Suspension seems to be the most common complaint or concern on these new Land Rovers. How easy is it to swap sensors on air bag systems? I know the sensors are not known for reliability in high vibration environments, but if one goes bad, how big of a job is it to swap in a new one trail side? Sensors are tiny and bringing a handful of spares should be fairly easy, but if changing a sensor requires a full hub disassembly (as opposed to a few turns with a ratchet), that has a huge impact on trail side repair ability.

- Related, what happens if a stick or sharp rock puts a hole in a bag? Is that’s even possible? And Is that a trail side repair to deflate the bag and swap in a new one, or is it more complex than that?

- Also related, is there a way of manually adjusting the airbags if the automatic system fails and continue the journey, or is the rig a bit like an iPhone -- if there’s a problem, beyond turning it off and back on again, you need an Apple Store?

- And finally question about this suspension - how symmetrical is the Defender? For example, does the driver front airbag and sensor match with the passenger rear airbag and sensor in terms of part numbers? It’s easy to bring along spare parts but having symmetry means that you aren’t turning your new Defender into a Ship of Theseus situation with a whole slew of unique spares filling up the trunk!

- Does anyone know what kinds of fault codes will cause the Defender to ‘sit down’? And can codes be reset with a standard OBDII scanner/mobile app and dongle?

PowerfulUK’s Youtube video of his defender throwing an error because of that melted bracket (video since deleted) suggests that the car will warn, but not shutdown (at least in that particular part), so that’s promising but I’ve not heard any other examples of the new Defender breaking yet to give further insight.
Alright let’s see.
#1 Sensors are easy to change if they’re anything like the LR3 with bigger tires you might have to pull a tire off to get to it easily. So not a big job.

#2 Bag puncture is possible but is a rare occurrence. Not hard to change on the trail assuming you have a spare. It’s easier to change than a broke coil spring.

#3 Yes there are kits out there for manually inflating the air bags. If you have a fault that causes the suspension to drop to the bump stops simply pull the EAS fuse and manually inflate the bags with an ARB compressor.

#4 if it’s anything like the LR3/4 with the bags the front two match each other and the back two match each other. The sensors I’m not sure on.

#5 Fault code wise it’ll more than likely be just sensor failure. On the older systems like the LR3 occasionally a bad brake light bulb or brake light switch could do it. I personally have never had that happen. But yeah you should be able to reset it with a gap tool once support comes out for the Defender.
 

naks

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looks like a coil-over suspension replacement?

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