Oh brother. I'm going to go back to ignoring you after this response. You make up your own definitions, your own criteria and even your own numbers. So you can continue to exist in your land of make-believe.
No I don't. You lie again.
That's not what you said. Go back and read. But it doesn't matter. You'll make up another excuse to support your baseless claim and everyone else will continue to ignore you.
Too complex a scenario for you:
LOL, a "global vehicle" means a vehicle designed to be sold everywhere in the world without problems. Designed to thread the needle of various regulations. Not something that can mostly only be sold in the home market.
There is a reason the Wrangler doesn't sell much outside of its home market. It is unsafe to the extent that it is not allowed to be sold in all countries, and those that do allow, still doesn't see much sales. It being unsafe and basically aimed at 1) Wannabe Barbies, 2) Bros, and 3) Rock crawlers, means that there isn't even a big market in the US, but much bigger than there are in the rest of the world
So, yes, even though they sell quite a few cars in the US, the Wrangler - even as iconic as it is - is still not at the top. What was it last year? 250k? In the US?
Seriously? From the previous IFS argument you took literally everything out of context and now you fault others for (in your perception) taking something out of context. I also never mentioned Colorado. I said cold climates. #hookedonphonics
Read the bolded above (expand it). There is a context. The context is that even in the US - it's home market, they are not at the top of the sales - ESPECIALLY if we remove the barbies, the bros, and the rock crawlers (wannabe or real).
Countering your claims one by one is not taking things out of context. Countering claims while misrepresenting them by taking only a few words in a sentence that is qualified by the rest of the sentence is.
As for the Colorada comment - I went back and looked, and it Mpinco who mentioned Colorado. It is difficult to tell you two apart. You claim to be ignorant of the concept of a "global vehicle" and use the exact same arguments and turns of phrase.
False. Plain and simple. Wranglers sell in huge numbers to those buying 4wd vehicles.
See, you qualify your statements also. Now it's "those buying 4wd".
You, however, forget that that is only in the US - and even then some states takes way Wranglers than other states. Is the Wrangler even legal to sell in California without modifications?
Nobody is comparing anything here to a Ford Focus or Toyota Corolla so stop trying to.
We are talking about designing something as a "global vehicle" and that there is a difference between something mostly intended to sell only in the US and something designed to be sold all over the world.
Who ever said the Wrangler was a global vehicle? I sure didn't. Show me where anyone made that claim.
The Wrangler (or Jeep) was mentioned when you guys was talking about US sales and we were talking about a global vehicle. It is a great example of something that is not a global vehicle. But you still want to say it sells a lot in the US. Maybe (depending on how you define "a lot"), but you're still refusing to acknowledge the concept of a "global vehicle.
You selectively discount anything anyone else says and make up things to support your own claims or definitions.
Says the bloke who refuses to learn anything and make ******** up to support his claims.
I never said the sole reason the Land Cruiser was a global vehicle was because it was sold in more countries.
Oh, great, you now refuse to stand by what you said only a few posts ago:
Jaguar Land Rover has markets in 128 countries (But that includes the Jaguar brand). The Land Cruiser has markets in 170 countries. By any definition it is a "global vehicle".
Noted your above inclusion of the Prado models. However, what you posted is just showing the overview of available models over lifespan of the brand, but it's probably safe to assume the Prado is included in the sales numbers because of the Land Cruiser moniker even though they are outside the HD product line.
And this was after you repeatedly try to make-believe that such a thing as a global vehicle was about how much it sold etc.
There are many here with actual ability to comprehend what they read, and those people also understand that shared platform, engine options and other components across markets are what makes a vehicle a global vehicle.
You won't even stand by what you write. It is evident you still don't quite get the concept of a "global vehicle".
But go ahead, discount that and make up something else to say its wrong and you have all the answers. LOL.
Again: Coming from the guy who still haven't quite a grasp on what a "global vehicle is" as he has shown throughout this thread, it is evident that he is incapable of learning:
Here are your posts on this global vehicle "debate" where you obviously didn't understand it.
My emphasis:
What does "global vehicle" have to do with it? Very few actually need a vehicle with global support. And there's something to be said for simplicity in the case of repairs needed in remote villages in many parts of the world for those to do travel beyond their own borders.
What does "global vehicle" have to do with it? Very few actually need a vehicle with global support. And there's something to be said for simplicity in the case of repairs needed in remote villages in many parts of the world for those to do travel beyond their own borders.
What would I do without you to share all this vast knowledge with me? LOL. First off, I'm well aware of what a global market vehicle is, since I drive one. I would submit that the Land Cruiser is a far more prevelant global vehicle than the LR. I'm not a Jeep fan but you really have no idea what the market demand for them is. You live somewhere where they are not common and therefore make assumptions out of ignorance. Quite the opposite of what your theory is I would say they are even more common in cold, winter climates in the US because of the 4WD system. And you apparently haven't paid attention to recent Jeep sales if you think there's not even a big market in the US. They are extremely popular and many dealers have a waiting list for the new Gladiators.
Uh, yeah you did.
you said, " means that there isn't even a big market in the US,"
So nice try. I don't know why you continue to post in this thread? Pretty sure everyone has concluded you don't know what you're talking about.
And global market vehicle.....are you saying the Land Cruiser isn't a global vehicle?
Here's some numbers for you...
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lobal sales for the Toyota Land Cruiser. Cumulatively since it's inception over 10 Million Land Cruisers have been sold. But let's talk more recently. 2013 showed ~400,000 Land Cruisers sold worldwide. 2014 saw 450,000 sold. 2018 was roughly 360,000 Land Cruisers sold. 2019 which isn't over yet has seen over 250,000 sold. See data here:
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/29534066.html
Yeah it has dropped, but lets look at the Land Rover.....
in 2013 there were roughly 270,000 LR's sold worldwide across the entire product line. The Defender specifically saw just over 17,000 sold. The Discovery just shy of 46,000 sold. But even including the entire product line there were few sales by a large margin than the Land Cruiser in the same year. For 2018 across the same product line there was a total of roughly 241,000 LR's sold. Still over 100,000 short of Land Cruiser. If you add the Discovery Sport in for 2017 and 2018 as a new addition to the product line that number for 2018 it goes up to 336,000. Still short of the Land Cruiser. See Data here:
This statistic shows the number of Land Rover cars sold globally from 2013 to 2019, categorized by model.
www.statista.com
So sorry, don't insult yourself by claiming I don't know what a global vehicle is. Everyone knows that around the world the most widely used 4wd is a Toyota.
Exand the above one for the doosie at the bottom.
Jaguar Land Rover has markets in 128 countries (But that includes the Jaguar brand). The Land Cruiser has markets in 170 countries. By any definition it is a "global vehicle".
So, there you have it. It was all about how Jeep sells in the US, how the Land Cruisers sell more, and in more countries and so on. So, yes, you have shown yourself to not actually know what you're protesting. I can't believe the two of you balked at the concept of a "global vehicle", and refused to understand even after I explained it with the engines in the US.
Yes, please do. Having to explain such basic concepts to dishonest people who refuse to even try to understand things gets a bit tiresome.
