New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

[calicamper]

Ok, your definition of "discomfort" is different than mine I guess. Traveling in a vehicle with soft seats and comfy highway cruising and sleeping on a 3" closed cell foam mattress in a RTT or air cushion in the cargo area, and eating "real" whole foods ( not the store, the preparation) cooked over a fire instead of carrying your life on your back, sleeping on a 1"thick air mattress and eating rehydrated styrofoam in a pouch at the mouth of a snow cave or in a windbreak above treeline is practically the Four Seasons in comparison.

The latter is necessary when it serves a greater purpose, the former is just enjoyable. I happen to like having a comfy driving vehicle to do it in too, and modern Land Rovers fit that bill perfectly - my D5 takes me wherever I want to go.

20 yrs of 2 week back country packing I can’t ever recall eating freeze dried gerbil food. We ate steak, fresh caught trout. Hell we even ate shrimp salad out there in the boonies all backpacker trips.
How do spot a rookie back packer? Look for the freeze dried crap in their bag.

 

[calicamper]

20 yrs of 2 week back country packing I can’t ever recall eating freeze dried gerbil food. We ate steak, fresh caught trout. Hell we even ate shrimp salad out there in the boonies all backpacker trips.
How do spot a rookie back packer? Look for the freeze dried crap in their bag.

How do you spot a rookie overlander? Look for the vehicle worth 10x the local yearly income bonus points for lots of junk bolted and strapped on for the locals to strip as your hiking the tourist trail.?

 

[EricTyrrell]

I know the best and fully qualified baddest ************ on the planet in Special Operations

That's all you had to say buddy.

 

[EricTyrrell]

I hate to burst all the bubbles on both sides of the discussion but the reality is that the auto industry is headed for a major revamp, top to bottom. Jaguar Land Rover owner's Tata Motors India business HAS NO VALUE, CLSA says. The 2020 product launches were still born, dead, DOA. Avis is in trouble, Hertz cancelled 90% of their new vehicle orders. The commercial sector is frozen while the private sector cost of credit is rising. Into this headwind JLR's plans are for a $100K+ virtual LR4 rebadged as a SVO? Time to wake up, which it appears some are.

With the backdrop that JLR has lost billions and Jaguar and Land Rover engineering have been 'rationalized' into a single team, JLR is moving forward. Jaguar racing are on the chopping block. Where is JLR headed given that the restart of sales will be 2021 models with a mid-range that will see Ford Bronco and improved Rubicon's? Maybe even a Ineos Grenadier? Let the $100K LR4 be your guide. The 'design language', previously criticized here, is about to change again.

Jaguar To Come Up With A Bolder Design Language For A Higher Brand Appeal

".....It has come to light that Jaguar plans to prepare a sharper brand identity through a new design language that will be bolder in nature. Speaking to a media outlet, Julian Thomson, Design Direction, Jaguar, said, “In the past few months, we have been experimenting with the boundaries of what the brand can be. Now is the time for changing the backdrop and to really start afresh.” The design chief has revealed that the company has become more modern and have been on an expansion spree.......

......At the moment, the company’s product portfolio carries a typical family look, with all the cars sharing many signature styling elements......

.......“I want to move away from the middle ground and do things which are a little bit more exotic “I don’t want to keep chasing the pack. Jaguar is about innovation. It should be about leading and setting the pace.” he further added............"

JLR will be moving upmarket to more exotic, more modern products to differentiate them from the competition and justify the much higher cost.





https://gaadiwaadi.com/jaguar-to-come-up-with-a-bolder-design-language-for-a-higher-brand-appeal/

It does appear the article is primarily in reference to the Jaguar side of JLR, but doesn't explicitly exclude LR. We've seen the China-centric "bolder" design language before. If so, the next Defender might look like this.

 

[nickw]

How do you spot a rookie overlander? Look for the vehicle worth 10x the local yearly income bonus points for lots of junk bolted and strapped on for the locals to strip as your hiking the tourist trail.?

I'd say 95% of folks traveling around the world are 'rookie overlanders' then....including these guys:

Turtle Expedition

turtleexpedition.com

What about these guys, certainly not an expensive vehicle but lots of stuff strapped to it:

Meet the Land Cruiser – A BJ45 to Overland around the World

Why did we buy this BJ45 Toyota Land Cruiser to overland the world. What's the engine, the mileage and how many kilometers has it driven?

landcruisingadventure.com

An this guy, lots of broken rules?

R1 World Tour Clippings

www.sjaaklucassen.nl

And honestly, anybody in Africa in any Toyota.....

Not sure why @EricTyrrell is propping you, you guys are not saying the same thing at all! #contradictionbuddies

 

[mpinco]

Jaguar.

Engineering teams have already been collapsed into one team. Design and technology leveraged across a smaller JLR.

 

[calicamper]

I'd say 95% of folks traveling around the world are 'rookie overlanders' then....including these guys:

Turtle Expedition

turtleexpedition.com

What about these guys, certainly not an expensive vehicle but lots of stuff strapped to it:

Meet the Land Cruiser – A BJ45 to Overland around the World

Why did we buy this BJ45 Toyota Land Cruiser to overland the world. What's the engine, the mileage and how many kilometers has it driven?

landcruisingadventure.com

An this guy, lots of broken rules?

R1 World Tour Clippings

www.sjaaklucassen.nl

And honestly, anybody in Africa in any Toyota.....

Not sure why @EricTyrrell is propping you, you guys are not saying the same thing at all! #contradictionbuddies

Lol all those guys park behind gates even in police stations to avoid getting stripped over night.

 

[EricTyrrell]

you guys are not saying the same thing at all

Quote me where I advised you expo-farkle your jalopy. Good luck.

 

[Christian P.]

Is it time to lock this thread? It sounds like you guys have run out of arguments.

 

[JeepColorado]

I'm sure as news comes out there will be plenty of new reasons to rage and hate against the Defender

Is it time to lock this thread? It sounds like you guys have run out of arguments.

I'm sure as news comes out and more reviews come in there will be plenty of new reasons to rage against and hate the Defender!

 

[Corgi_express]

Is it time to lock this thread? It sounds like you guys have run out of arguments.

If running out of arguments was the time to lock the thread, it should have been locked about 50 pages ago

 

[nickw]

Is it time to lock this thread? It sounds like you guys have run out of arguments.

Probably has run its course....

 

[Victory_Overland]

Advice from a guy who's on a Land Rover forum telling the Land Rover community, the Toyota community, the Jeep community, and the "OVERLAND World" what the "OFF-ROAD" community needs; drives a practical F150 but can't even prove that part!

Do we really need to say more about relevant opinion, knowledge, and advice?

Now we can lock the thread!

 

[naks]

It's obvious this is your type of overlanding.
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you should really stop making a fool out of yourself.

actually, don't. it gives the rest of us a good laugh during these weird times.

 

[DieselRanger]

20 yrs of 2 week back country packing I can’t ever recall eating freeze dried gerbil food. We ate steak, fresh caught trout. Hell we even ate shrimp salad out there in the boonies all backpacker trips.
How do spot a rookie back packer? Look for the freeze dried crap in their bag.

LOL, ok.