New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

[JeepColorado]

As if on cue....

This awesome article about the LC 200 and the choice Toyota has to make- a few teaser quotes-

"It feels like a betrayal when automakers attempt to apply one model’s glory to a less-deserving product."

"Now, at the end of the line for the 200 Series, Toyota is wrestling with the future of its longest-running nameplate. Will it abandon the traits that made it an enthusiast darling?"

"It was the feeling that the mighty Land Cruiser has lost its place in this world and that we’ve lost something because of it. Now, in a time when fewer and fewer automakers are willing to carry the enthusiast banner forward."

"The question is, how long can manufacturers keep leveraging nameplates further and further from their roots before alienating the customers who brought them to prominence?"

"We hope there’s room in the new Land Cruiser for the traits that have made generations of off-road enthusiasts fall for the machine over and over again. That it earns the badge we all hold dear."

The Toyota Land Cruiser Has Lost Its Place

The Land Cruiser has wandered the Earth for six decades. Where will it go next?

www.roadandtrack.com

 

[T-Willy]

As if on cue....

This awesome article about the LC 200 and the choice Toyota has to make- a few teaser quotes-

"It feels like a betrayal when automakers attempt to apply one model’s glory to a less-deserving product."

"Now, at the end of the line for the 200 Series, Toyota is wrestling with the future of its longest-running nameplate. Will it abandon the traits that made it an enthusiast darling?"

"It was the feeling that the mighty Land Cruiser has lost its place in this world and that we’ve lost something because of it. Now, in a time when fewer and fewer automakers are willing to carry the enthusiast banner forward."

"The question is, how long can manufacturers keep leveraging nameplates further and further from their roots before alienating the customers who brought them to prominence?"

"We hope there’s room in the new Land Cruiser for the traits that have made generations of off-road enthusiasts fall for the machine over and over again. That it earns the badge we all hold dear."

The Toyota Land Cruiser Has Lost Its Place

The Land Cruiser has wandered the Earth for six decades. Where will it go next?

www.roadandtrack.com

Amen.

Land Cruiser gentrification is a tragedy, but I'm skeptical that Toyota will change course.

 

[roving1]

Meanwhile, this poor guy got his Defender back and it still isn't fixed

Every one of these is a battle between my curiosity of the Defender vs how insufferable this guy is lol.

We get it dude the camera doesn't go off. Half of new cars with this crap have faults like this that are easily fixed by upcoming software updates which the dealer can't make appear out of thin air. Don't need to see the problem 20 times to understand it.

 

[T-Willy]

Every one of these is a battle between my curiosity of the Defender vs how insufferable this guy is lol.

We get it dude the camera doesn't go off. Half of new cars with this crap have faults like this that are easily fixed by upcoming software updates which the dealer can't make appear out of thin air. Don't need to see the problem 20 times to understand it.

Painfully endearing.

 

[TexasTJ]

 

[Highlander]

That kid has no idea what he is talking about. The Buick 3.5 and 3.9 were magnificent, true American V8 engines. They were workhorses, until the Brits started modifying it in late 90s.
In fact the engines were the most reliable units in LR, the V8 and TD200/300

My 96 V8 3.9 run flawlessly...and boy the sound it made.

Ford's new 7.3 engine shares the same architecture with those old Buick engines. They returned to that design due to its momentum and durability.

 

[TexasTJ]

Chip could give Gerry a 4x4 Design Lesson.

 

[JeepColorado]

It's cool that LR is trying to press what's possible, but I can't imagine this making things any more simple

Land Rover Is Experimenting With Touchless Touch Screens

Jaguar Land Rover has announced that it has patented a “predictive touch” technology which essentially lets you use touchscreen controls without your finger actually coming in contact with the screen surface. Seems like a great solution for fingerprints, though I’m skeptical it won’t be frustrating.

jalopnik.com

 

[DieselRanger]

Yeah, let's see them on the trail.

 

[Carson G]

18’s and 35’s on a P400.

 

[Carson G]

This is pretty sad.

 

[TexasTJ]

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18’s and 35’s on a P400.

I need to see 37” now.

 

[Carson G]

I need to see 37” now.

Why stop at 37’s let go 40’s.

 

[gatorgrizz27]

This sort of glitchy tech is precisely what I don't want on a touring vehicle. It is the opposite of simplicity; needless, glitchy expense.

I agree. While I have zero problem with the IFS/IRS and air suspension, I don’t see why they are so intent on trying to cram as much new tech garbage as possible into this thing.

The LR3 and same generation Range Rover (08-09) were as close to perfect modern vehicles as they have ever designed, even by 2020 standards. Take advantage of trickle down technology and staying true to the roots of the Defender, Disco, and Range by sharing the same running gear.

Just take a LR3, stretch it 10”, slap the 4.2 Supercharged Jag engine in it with slightly larger wheel wells so it can clear 35’s, the same brakes so it can run 18’s, and make it look like a Defender. I almost forgot they will have to add Apple Car play for the tech whiners, I’m ok with it.

They should be able to sell a bare bones one for $40k and a nicely spec’d one for $55k, and it will actually be reliable since it’s proven. Run the assembly line 24/7 and profit.

 

[Carson G]

I agree. While I have zero problem with the IFS/IRS and air suspension, I don’t see why they are so intent on trying to cram as much new tech garbage as possible into this thing.

The LR3 and same generation Range Rover (08-09) were as close to perfect modern vehicles as they have ever designed, even by 2020 standards. Take advantage of trickle down technology and staying true to the roots of the Defender, Disco, and Range by sharing the same running gear.

Just take a LR3, stretch it 10”, slap the 4.2 Supercharged Jag engine in it with slightly larger wheel wells so it can clear 35’s, the same brakes so it can run 18’s, and make it look like a Defender. I almost forgot they will have to add Apple Car play for the tech whiners, I’m ok with it.

They should be able to sell a bare bones one for $40k and a nicely spec’d one for $55k, and it will actually be reliable since it’s proven. Run the assembly line 24/7 and profit.

That was LR’s plan 12 years ago.