New Hilux (Tacoma?) spotted...

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Abe Froman

Adventurer
Have owned.
83 tercel. Zero problems
84 fj60. 200k no major problems. Abused.
83 fj60. 120k Babied. Zero issues.
Camry. Zero issues.
1985 toyota lunar lander van 5sp 4x4
2000 tundra. 140k miles, only issue was a bad starter.
2011 tundra dc4x4. Bought new, sold at 36k. Three valve cover gaskets. Cam tower. Other gaskets? This thing leaked oil like an old land rover, from day one. Driveshaft recall. Steering issues. TPMS never worked. Transmission slipping at 30k. Various plastic bits falling apart. Chalk lines on interior from when seats were built.
I live in San Diego. Only good toyota dealer was escondido.
Toyota dealers provide service on par with the demographic they serve....lower end mass market consumers. Fine if you have no issues, but it would suck to own a new $70k landcruiser and have to deal with that dealer network.
I know I got a "lemon-y" tundra, but the build quality of the 2011 and the 2000 tundra are night and day.
Toyota USED to build the most reliable, best cars. They don't anymore.
Nobody does.
I will say our 2011 x5 diesel purchased at the same time as the tundra has had only one problem, EGR valve took three days to,repair under warranty, wife drove nice 3 series loaner car. Less problems and less issues, less time out of service out of the BMW that I thought would be the problematic one. Is BMW better than toyota? No clue. Doubtful.
All new cars are crappy. What is the best? A well maintained 15-20 year old toyota is probably the best?
I am still considering a new (ugly) 4runner, so even though their quality isn't close to what it was before, they still have vehicles that are decent.
I find it funny that of all 4x4 brands, toyota owners are the only ones that can't admit that their trucks aren't perfect. Rover, sure. Jeep, yes. Toyota fanboys get all butthurt.
 
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sn_85

Observer
Abe Froman said:
Have owned.
83 tercel. Zero problems
84 fj60. 200k no major problems. Abused.
83 fj60. 120k Babied. Zero issues.
Camry. Zero issues.
1985 toyota lunar lander van 5sp 4x4
2000 tundra. 140k miles, only issue was a bad starter.
2011 tundra dc4x4. Bought new, sold at 36k. Three valve cover gaskets. Cam tower. Other gaskets? This thing leaked oil like an old land rover, from day one. Driveshaft recall. Steering issues. TPMS never worked. Transmission slipping at 30k. Various plastic bits falling apart. Chalk lines on interior from when seats were built.
I live in San Diego. Only good toyota dealer was escondido.
Toyota dealers provide service on par with the demographic they serve....lower end mass market consumers. Fine if you have no issues, but it would suck to own a new $70k landcruiser and have to deal with that dealer network.
I know I got a "lemon-y" tundra, but the build quality of the 2011 and the 2000 tundra are night and day.
Toyota USED to build the most reliable, best cars. They don't anymore.
Nobody does.
I will say our 2011 x5 diesel purchased at the same time as the tundra has had only one problem, EGR valve took three days to,repair under warranty, wife drove nice 3 series loaner car. Less problems and less issues, less time out of service out of the BMW that I thought would be the problematic one. Is BMW better than toyota? No clue. Doubtful.
All new cars are crappy. What is the best? A well maintained 15-20 year old toyota is probably the best?
I am still considering a new (ugly) 4runner, so even though their quality isn't close to what it was before, they still have vehicles that are decent.
I find it funny that of all 4x4 brands, toyota owners are the only ones that can't admit that their trucks aren't perfect. Rover, sure. Jeep, yes. Toyota fanboys get all butthurt.
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No one is butt hurt, nor do we take much account into what your opinion. Like I said, you are one person and you had one bad experience. It happens sometimes but again, that is not enough to draw broad sweeping conclusions that a company is "crap". You always remember the good a lot better than you do the bad. Nostalgia is a funny thing sometimes.
 
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Mrknowitall

Adventurer
daveyboy said:
You knew what I was saying--who makes a non-turbo diesel automotive application in the US?
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Yes all road diesels available in the US have been turbos for a long time- wasn't putting that into question. Nor do I mean to offend. I was just pointing out that there are several ways to skin a cat. Either way, the cat needs a turbo. I am also very confident that Toyota NA is doing everything to stay in the game w/o going diesel. Yes, the NX is the first US Toyota in a very long time to get a gasoline turbo engine, but the Big J3 (Toyota, Honda, Nissan) are pretty much the last hold-outs in that matter. I mean, once the Koreans can do good work on the subject, it's probably time....
mike2100 said:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/toyota-tundra-does-a-titan-move-turns-to-cummins-for-a-diesel-v-8/
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All the articles reference back to a single Wards Auto blurb. The article itself doesn't have any sources other than "Wards Auto Forecast". I give that as much weight as a majic 8-ball or a weather stick-https://www.google.com/search?q=weather+stick&espv=2&biw=1050&bih=871&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=WQIzVOuRK9H6oQShjoCAAg&ved=0CEEQsAQ
The big problem for a diesel Tundra is volume- they've been selling about 125k units a year, built in a plant that can turn out 200k (but is currently fully utilized) best optimism would be to increase sales and move 60k units a year. The margin on those would have to pay for the development. Even though Toyota already has a 275hp V8 diesel rolling off the assembly line in the Land Cruiser (which shares the front half of the chassis with the the Tundra) The powers that be decided that powertrain investment was not in the cards just yet. No way in hell would they integrate a different motor for one year, to then put in their own. The 1VD engine could easily do the job, if equipped with SCR. Nissan doesn't have an engine of their own in that size, so they bought one from Cummins. With the success RAm is having with the VM A630 Ecodiesel, the V9X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V9X_Engine) engine might have been a smart choice as well.
 
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RHINO

RHINO

Expedition Leader
kmacafee said:
she said that Toyota recognizes that they are behind the curve in the US and will hopefully have one for Tacoma "in the near future" -- whatever that means. She also shared that Tundra sales have been disappointing and they are re-looking at that platform as well.
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i really hope they put more effort into tacoma than tundra, let the big three have the fullsize market and give us a better small truck.
 
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Samson360

Observer
I've owned 5 diesel Hilux's over the last 15 or so years and can't fault them. From a straight forward 2.4 non turbo to the latest common rail D4D engine. Always been reliable and performed well towing trailers. Can't see me changing to anything else.
 
DaveInDenver

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
grampswrx said:
Just in case a mucky-muck at toyota ever reads this: I'm a buyer of a diesel tacoma if you ever make one.
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No, I insist sir, please take my money. Me too. Hemming and hawing at the moment about a Tacoma but even if there's no diesel I'd go for a 3rd gen Taco/Hilux.
 
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calicamper

Expedition Leader
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Diesel would solve much of the range related trip factors that gas rigs face. I read about lots of great trips having to take a fuel trip recess/ break due to gas rig mileage / range limitations. If cost was ever a big concern we would be reading about people doing trips in their Subarus. Just sayn
 
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