New Hilux (Tacoma?) spotted...

Rotorgeek

Adventurer
Just me or does it look more like the Nissan Frontier? I know they are similar from the start, but if you didn't have the front emblem I would have guessed Nissan.
 

Toyotero

Explorer
How do they know that is a Toyota? It looks very different than the 2015 Hilux. The only thing that looks similar to me is the taillights which are heavily masked and might be an illusion.

http://www.2015topcars.com/2015-toyota-hilux/


2015-Toyota-Hilux-Rear.jpg


HILUX.JPG
 

McFly2003

Adventurer
What are everyone's thoughts on the possibility of Toyota bringing a deisel drivetrain to the Tacoma? With the new Colorado rocking one in the same catagory, with a better tow rating and with better fuel economy, it wouldnt surprise me. I am planning on shopping for a '15 when I get back from the Stan, but if a deisel were in the works for '16, I'd likely wait it out
 

Abe Froman

Adventurer
Honda Ridgeline.
Looks like a car.
El camino highlander.
Toyota is doing an exceptional job of making all their vehicles sold in the US ugly.
 

grampswrx

Observer
Just in case a mucky-muck at toyota ever reads this: I'm a buyer of a diesel tacoma if you ever make one.
 

kmacafee

Adventurer
On a bike trip I recently led, one of the clients was an engineer for Toyota who works on the Toyota and Tacoma platforms. When I asked about the possibility of a diesel option in either platform, she said that Toyota recognizes that they are behind the curve in the US and will hopefully have one for Tacoma "in the near future" -- whatever that means. She also shared that Tundra sales have been disappointing and they are re-looking at that platform as well.
 

McFly2003

Adventurer
Just in case a mucky-muck at toyota ever reads this: I'm a buyer of a diesel tacoma if you ever make one.

^^what this guy said. I also spoke to a guy who worked publicity for Toyota corperate at last years Pikes Peak Hillclimb and he was saying that as far as he knew, there were no diesel options in the forseeable future for either the tacoma or 4runner. How accurate that was, I have no idea, but I would be all over a diesel yota
 

AxleIke

Adventurer
Personally wouldn't buy a diesel. Too much money for benefits I wouldn't use, and I don't tow anything worth the extra torque. I'll be interested to see what they come out with for styling. Not digging the new hilux look, but they are always a little different than the Tacomas. I personally really like the front end they have on the current Tacoma, after the 2012 refresh.
 

nickw

Adventurer
Maybe I'm just getting old. I don't see the allure of a diesel Tacoma anymore, especially given the price it would likely be sold at. Figure the diesel is going to be a good $4k+ based on what the D4D sells for above the Petrol model in the SA/AU markets. You will be right at that $40k mark for a double cab SR5. I would never spend that on a 'mid' size pickup for a slight increase in gas mileage.

Reliability is a moot point nowadays....I don't think the diesels (even more so with the newer crop of CR engines) offer any reliability gains over the Petrol models, especially Toyotas. If we look just at Toyota, generally speaking, the Petrol models have been perfectly reliable over the service life of the majority of it's vehicles.....5vz, 3rz, 2f, 3f, 1fz, 2uz, etc....well into the mulitple 100k's.

Fuel cost is arguable when factoring in resale cost / residual value, maintenance costs, replacement parts, initial cost premium, etc. I 'think' it favors the diesel but can't be sure. Most likely depends on how many miles are driven. Assuming the diesel remains reliable over it's service life, the more you drive, the more you'll save....assuming the residual value remains favorable.

I think it makes the most sense for a) range (if you are driving in the Simpson or Sahara) or if you b) are towing large loads lots of miles and need the fuel savings.

Also, I hope the emissions systems on these get simplified, much the same way the petrol systems did of the 70's vs today. I had a 78 FJ40 and while generally simple and easy to maintain, the emissions system was unfathomable to try and trouble shoot. The current emission systems on the diesel rigs are a PITA and big $$$ to fix.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I think Toyota will wait for another manufacturer to be the diesel 'guinea pig.' If it's successful, Toyota will jump on the bandwagon. If it crashes and burns, then Toyota will be glad they didn't spend the $$ to bring a diesel to the US.

I don't really see the benefits of a diesel in the US market. Back in the old days, a diesel was simpler, more reliable, more fuel efficient, and ran on cheaper, less refined fuel than a corresponding gas engine.

Modern diesels, by contrast, are every bit as computer-laden as their gasoline counterparts, get similar MPGs and run on more expensive fuel.

Modern gasoline engines have gotten so advanced that they've obliterated many of the advantages that diesel used to hold. I'd honestly expect to see a gas/electric hybrid Tacoma before a diesel one.
 

FJR Colorado

Explorer
You folks make a lot of great points.

The problem is, even if we got a Toyota diesel, it wouldn't be some Australian 1980s mining vehicle version; it would be a nanny state version...

However, I think there may be some hope for a Tundra with a Cummins... it sure would be interesting...
 

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