New Hilux (Tacoma?) spotted...

[daveyboy]

More reliable than what? The 3.4, the 4.0 and the 4.7 gassers all have legendary reliability and can all go 200K+ without any problems, so what does a diesel offer that they don't?

Well, given that you too live at a relatively high elevation--power... (turbo-diesel).

 

[Willman]

New HiLux commercial in Australia...

Toyota HiLux Unbreakable Drivers Test Facility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iIhrkqFNKs

Nice! Some day I'll get mine too!

 

[Mrknowitall]

Well, given that you too live at a relatively high elevation--power... (turbo-diesel).

Low end torque and altitude performance aren't diesel attributes- they're turbo attributes. A well executed gasoline DI turbo engine closes the gap on performance, without the fuel issues, more expensive after treatment, etc. Part of the challenge with diesels is that they are limited to about 4000rpm, which limits horsepower. HP is a function of speed and torque, so to compensate, a diesel need to make much more torque for the same acceleration performance. Problem with that is the transmission now needs to be bigger in many cases. That adds weight and cost.
From what we've heard so far is that the new 2.0T that just launched in the Lexus NX will be used in RWD cars and trucks. I wouldn't be surprised if it technically becomes the a TR-FTE instead.

 

[daveyboy]

Low end torque and altitude performance aren't diesel attributes- they're turbo attributes. A well executed gasoline DI turbo engine closes the gap on performance, without the fuel issues, more expensive after treatment, etc. Part of the challenge with diesels is that they are limited to about 4000rpm, which limits horsepower. HP is a function of speed and torque, so to compensate, a diesel need to make much more torque for the same acceleration performance. Problem with that is the transmission now needs to be bigger in many cases. That adds weight and cost.
From what we've heard so far is that the new 2.0T that just launched in the Lexus NX will be used in RWD cars and trucks. I wouldn't be surprised if it technically becomes the a TR-FTE instead.

You knew what I was saying--who makes a non-turbo diesel automotive application in the US?

Also, same thing but opposite regarding Toyota making any turbo gas engines--the NX is the first in quite awhile.

 

[mike2100]

Low end torque and altitude performance aren't diesel attributes- they're turbo attributes. A well executed gasoline DI turbo engine closes the gap on performance, without the fuel issues, more expensive after treatment, etc. Part of the challenge with diesels is that they are limited to about 4000rpm, which limits horsepower. HP is a function of speed and torque, so to compensate, a diesel need to make much more torque for the same acceleration performance. Problem with that is the transmission now needs to be bigger in many cases. That adds weight and cost.
From what we've heard so far is that the new 2.0T that just launched in the Lexus NX will be used in RWD cars and trucks. I wouldn't be surprised if it technically becomes the a TR-FTE instead.

An exciting thought! Toyota could do what Ford did with ecoboost, but better and with more reliablility because they take their time with power plant development.

 

[4Rescue]

Commercially bought fuel costs and initial buy in/production costs are Diesels two main "hurdles/problems" in the USDM (and both very valid criticisms given how short average ownership periods are and the disposable nature in which most cars are bought and sold these days), but otherwise they're a lot more beneficial and broadly applicable (in both stand-alone and electric hybrid systems) then some of you seem to think/want to believe... And DI and turbo's also don't turn gassers into magical fairy engines (they do make fun to drive engines in good chassis though) nor do Diesels specifically have anything to with "transmissions getting too large and heavy" now days.

Toyota is going to put the 5.0 in the Tundra

Where are folks getting this??? I ask in all seriousness, because I just don't think that's accurate info. Nissan made a statement at a trade show this year (and had been dropping hints for a while before that) confirming that they were going to be running a 5.0L TDV8 Cummins engine in the new Titan (there are even ads showing a new Nissan pickup truck with a "Cummins" marked crate in the bed). They also made what they called a "design study" Frontier with a smaller I4 Cummins TD to stir up hype/interest and get folks attention (it got mine), but I've never heard anywhere that "Toyota is going to put the 5.0 (Cummins) in the Tundra" and I'd bet Nissan wouldn't be too happy about it either as a direct competitor...

 

[Flagster]

Ummm Are you confusing cost/mile with MPG? Cuase I dont know of any gasoline motors that will do 30+ MPG and move a truck/tow the way a diesel will, save for perhaps a hybrid and I wouldn't consider them worthy just yet, of the "heavy duty" type applications most trucks are used for. Or maybe your just talking in terms of diesel/gasoline car performance?

what diesel engine available available here in the states is doing that???

keep drinking the kool aid

 

[Flagster]

because they get you better mpg, better tq, generally a more reliable engine. also and engine that shouldn't add 5-8k to the damn price either lol. I really like being able to get 50mpp in my wifes tdi car.

reliable and tdi (vw) ha ha

 

[mike2100]

Where are folks getting this??? I ask in all seriousness, because I just don't think that's accurate info. Nissan made a statement at a trade show this year (and had been dropping hints for a while before that) confirming that they were going to be running a 5.0L TDV8 Cummins engine in the new Titan (there are even ads showing a new Nissan pickup truck with a "Cummins" marked crate in the bed). They also made what they called a "design study" Frontier with a smaller I4 Cummins TD to stir up hype/interest and get folks attention (it got mine), but I've never heard anywhere that "Toyota is going to put the 5.0 (Cummins) in the Tundra" and I'd bet Nissan wouldn't be too happy about it either as a direct competitor...

http://blog.caranddriver.com/toyota-tundra-does-a-titan-move-turns-to-cummins-for-a-diesel-v-8/

 

[plainjaneFJC]

A new diesel is nothing like your transplant, not even close. I have owned 7 diesel trucks ranging from a 1995 model to a 2014 model. The complexity and repair expense has jumped dramatically on just the past few years. I wont even own one past the warranty period any more.

Commercially bought fuel costs and initial buy in/production costs are Diesels two main "hurdles/problems" in the USDM (and both very valid criticisms given how short average ownership periods are and the disposable nature in which most cars are bought and sold these days), but otherwise they're a lot more beneficial and broadly applicable (in both stand-alone and electric hybrid systems) then some of you seem to think/want to believe... And DI and turbo's also don't turn gassers into magical fairy engines (they do make fun to drive engines in good chassis though) nor do Diesels specifically have anything to with "transmissions getting too large and heavy" now days.



Where are folks getting this??? I ask in all seriousness, because I just don't think that's accurate info. Nissan made a statement at a trade show this year (and had been dropping hints for a while before that) confirming that they were going to be running a 5.0L TDV8 Cummins engine in the new Titan (there are even ads showing a new Nissan pickup truck with a "Cummins" marked crate in the bed). They also made what they called a "design study" Frontier with a smaller I4 Cummins TD to stir up hype/interest and get folks attention (it got mine), but I've never heard anywhere that "Toyota is going to put the 5.0 (Cummins) in the Tundra" and I'd bet Nissan wouldn't be too happy about it either as a direct competitor...

 

[Abe Froman]

A modern Toyota and a USDM diesel combo is a good way to spend lots of time at your local toyota dealer getting warranty work done....most likely by unqualified "technicians"
I wouldn't touch any new toyota (made in Japan 4runner excluded) with a ten foot pole.
2011 tundra was a total POS lemon law contender.
Always owned a toyota since 1986, never again.
Awful, overpriced plastic penalty boxes with crap dealer network. The sun has set for them.

 

[dstn2bdoa]

The smog requirements put on new Diesels has killed their reliability, MPG, and simplicity advantages. They still retain the Magic for towing heavy loads.
Here in the wonderful state of Ca, diesel fuel is often more expensive then supreme gas.

 

[McFly2003]

A modern Toyota and a USDM diesel combo is a good way to spend lots of time at your local toyota dealer getting warranty work done....most likely by unqualified "technicians"
I wouldn't touch any new toyota (made in Japan 4runner excluded) with a ten foot pole.
2011 tundra was a total POS lemon law contender.
Always owned a toyota since 1986, never again.
Awful, overpriced plastic penalty boxes with crap dealer network. The sun has set for them.

Sounds like you have a crap local dealer. I have owned 3 runners and an fj60 and while I will agree that the quality may not be exactly on par with previous models (depends on who you ask), I have never had anything but praise for my toyotas (I have also had my fair share of other auto's...honda, ford, vw, bmw, subaru, mazda etc. ...so I have plenty to compare it to)

 

[sn_85]

A modern Toyota and a USDM diesel combo is a good way to spend lots of time at your local toyota dealer getting warranty work done....most likely by unqualified "technicians"
I wouldn't touch any new toyota (made in Japan 4runner excluded) with a ten foot pole.
2011 tundra was a total POS lemon law contender.
Always owned a toyota since 1986, never again.
Awful, overpriced plastic penalty boxes with crap dealer network. The sun has set for them.

Sounds like you had a bad experience. No one is discounting that but you're still only one person and it's a bit silly to make broad sweeping generalizations. I'm sure all those Tacoma, Tundra, and 4Runner owners who beat crap out of their cars and they still run will vehemently disagree with you. If Toyota is such a POS then what brand, in your mind, stands out heads and shoulders above the rest?

 

[daveyboy]

My Tundra has been as reliable as an anvil and I know both a 90's 4runner owner and an FJ80 owner (both bought new) that had lemons--that is anecdotal and happens with any brand. On average, however, Toyota is still consistently the quality leader.