New Tacoma vs Colorado vs Ranger
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85_Ranger4x4
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The Tacoma build and price is live: https://www.toyota.com/configurator...bap_guid=30059ee1-91e3-40f8-952d-3a31803add6f
Is this the joke of the decade? A TRD off road loaded with the best premium package is $55K. This is without the hybrid engine.
So for the same price of a Ranger Raptor you get the base Toyota offroad (equivalent of a Tremor) with half the off road capability, and with a much less powerful engine. This is beyond comprehension.
Another way to put it is that a loaded Trailhunter will be $65K (hybrid engine on the tundra is $4K over non hybrid, then add all the offroad components). That’s absolutely insane.
Is this the joke of the decade? A TRD off road loaded with the best premium package is $55K. This is without the hybrid engine.
So for the same price of a Ranger Raptor you get the base Toyota offroad (equivalent of a Tremor) with half the off road capability, and with a much less powerful engine. This is beyond comprehension.
Another way to put it is that a loaded Trailhunter will be $65K (hybrid engine on the tundra is $4K over non hybrid, then add all the offroad components). That’s absolutely insane.
But look at all that technology that Toyota brought to the market 10 years after everyone else!
In all seriousness, this only confirms to me how good of a deal the Colorado ZR2 is. I might not be fully pimped out at $48k but you get a lot it seems like. Especially if they start getting discounts and are selling for under MSRP. Which probably wont happen for 4 years with the Tacoma, if ever, since all the sheep probably have spoken for the first 4 years of production already.
Todd780
OverCamper
I looked at the build and price nut it's probably a moot point for me. Toyota USA lets you add options to the models.
If Toyota Canada follows the same path they did with the Tundra, each model will only come one way.
For example, in Canada, I can't option a Tundra SR5 O/R with tow mirrors or a tech pkg to get the 14" screen. For the screen I'd have to go Limited. Tow mirrors aren't available till the Platinum. And their standard. WTH Toyota? Why put tow mirrors as standard on the truck that'll have the lowest payload rating??
If Toyota Canada follows the same path they did with the Tundra, each model will only come one way.
For example, in Canada, I can't option a Tundra SR5 O/R with tow mirrors or a tech pkg to get the 14" screen. For the screen I'd have to go Limited. Tow mirrors aren't available till the Platinum. And their standard. WTH Toyota? Why put tow mirrors as standard on the truck that'll have the lowest payload rating??
calicamper
Expedition Leader
Hey don’t forget the $10,000 dealer markup requirement because they need to talk to buyers on the sales floor😆.
55k is not what they’ll be selling em for I can promise you that.
I agree. The ZR2 is 50K FULLY loaded without shipping which is an amazing deal considering a TRD Offroad with the same tech is 53.5K without shipping, but that’s comparing a top off road trim including skid plates, side bars, dual locker, mid travel suspension with a base off road trim that has none of those stuff.
The TRD Pro which will be comparable off road to the ZR2 will cost 10-15K more than the ZR2. The difference in price is just insane.
I do have a few dislikes with the Colorado though: my least favorite in look compared to ranger raptor and Tacoma, poor payload at 1150 lbs VS 1450 lbs for the raptor (tacoma unknown) and I keep hearing about Chevy’s poor reliability, and Toyota’s amazing reliability. But I wonder how much of Toyota‘s reliability comes from the fact they sell 10 years old platforms (current taco, 4runner…) because when you look at the new Tundra it seems it has plenty of issues. So who knows.
I am concerned about resale value as well.
Actually both my Chevy dealer and Toyota dealer have never done above MSRP even during pandemic and even for TRD Pro models and guaranteed me MSRP.
My main issue is with the Ford, they want 5K over for the raptor. The funny thing is even at 5K over the Raptor might look like a deal versus the TRD Pro which definitely will be above 60K.
In the end I am still undecided. I wish I could drive a Trailhunter, ZR2 and Raptor on and off road tomorrow then I could decide easily cause at the end of the day if one is not comfortable for me or I don’t like how it drives then it’s more important than the price. I wish we also knew all the specs and payload and price.
Ordering a ZR2 and getting eat before spring for the camping season is appealing though. TH production starts in April, and Raptor is impossible to get so for both of those it looks like I would keep the Bronco another camping season before switching.
I absolutely love the Bronco btw. Just need more cargo.
Pacific Northwest yetti
Expedition Medic
I really like my ZR2. Admittedly I am a Chevy guy. But even when in Tacoma’s I could never get comfortable and they always felt underpowered. (and I am only 5ft 9)
We had a handful of Taco fleet trucks. I would drive from fire base to fire base. Like 12+hr drive days.
I was worried when I first got in the ZR2, that it would have the same issues. And just does not. I use all my trucks hard; they are a tool to get a job done. My o4 2500HD has 288k miles on it, and has just recently started showing issues. I need to replace the engine wire harness. So the ZR2 was purchased to take some of the daily duties from the HD, and for better MPG. Its stupidly fun to drive, and goes anywhere I point it just about. And has a 6k towing capacity.
Yes, it has a lighter payload than the HD, but different tool for different job. And I can still put a lot of gear back there. Just takes a little more planning/or thought.
I do wish, however the ZR2 had a 6ft bed length. I have to drop the tailgate if I want to crash in the back, or sleep diagonally. For me that was not its main use case, so was not a deal breaker.
The Bison, is well done. And you retain all OE warranty’s. After spending many thousands to build my HD to a HD ZR2, I really appreciate the OE engineering and being able to just buy and drive.
My brother has an 05 2500HD he did the pan American on with a FWC. And is going strong. It still gets used for a show truck at his shop. And goes to shows with OEV’s on the back. I am very interested to see the HD ZR2.
Like you said, in the end. Drive everything you can, crawl all over them. And find the best fit for your use cases.
We had a handful of Taco fleet trucks. I would drive from fire base to fire base. Like 12+hr drive days.
I was worried when I first got in the ZR2, that it would have the same issues. And just does not. I use all my trucks hard; they are a tool to get a job done. My o4 2500HD has 288k miles on it, and has just recently started showing issues. I need to replace the engine wire harness. So the ZR2 was purchased to take some of the daily duties from the HD, and for better MPG. Its stupidly fun to drive, and goes anywhere I point it just about. And has a 6k towing capacity.
Yes, it has a lighter payload than the HD, but different tool for different job. And I can still put a lot of gear back there. Just takes a little more planning/or thought.
I do wish, however the ZR2 had a 6ft bed length. I have to drop the tailgate if I want to crash in the back, or sleep diagonally. For me that was not its main use case, so was not a deal breaker.
The Bison, is well done. And you retain all OE warranty’s. After spending many thousands to build my HD to a HD ZR2, I really appreciate the OE engineering and being able to just buy and drive.
My brother has an 05 2500HD he did the pan American on with a FWC. And is going strong. It still gets used for a show truck at his shop. And goes to shows with OEV’s on the back. I am very interested to see the HD ZR2.
Like you said, in the end. Drive everything you can, crawl all over them. And find the best fit for your use cases.
calicamper
Expedition Leader
Reliability differences today are pretty slim between brands. Hell most are sourcing various parts from the same suppliers. I think today the biggest factor is quality dealer access vs rip off store fronts. Our GM and Ford dealers are still locally owned not Auto group store fronts. They pay techs better and treat employees better than the max profit lowest pay rip off store fronts run by auto groups like Lithia etc. Which case in my region Subaru, Toyota, Rover, Audi all are non locally owned stores with 1000’s of customer stories of $1700 oil changes 🤔
The local owned stuff that starts getting reports of rip off services generally get called out and either go out of business or get their mess cleaned up fast.