"New Technology Rage/Hate/Praise Thread"

[85_Ranger4x4]

If airbags are so wonderful, then why do professional crashers prefer a roll cage?

The guys that really crash with gusto have ejection seats...

Ah, I see. Not "Volts", lol. Okay. You still need wires to the ignition key, plugs, headlights, brake lights, switch for the brakes, interior lights etc.

In any case, if we are at a stage where strands of copper conducting current means "complexity", the bike or walking seems like the only option. Just don't ride the bike at night, as you'll need lights.

And here we have somebody who has never experienced the frustration of the shut off solenoid failing causing a no start...

That is an infuriating thing to hang up on an otherwise bulletproof setup. You are DRT until you get a new one. Kinda common fail point on tractors.

 

[Pilat]

There are necessary and unnecessary circuits. Simplicity creates reliability just based on the number of possible components that will fail.
Plugs on a Cummins? You lost me there.

I only realised now that your Cummins does not have a glow plug for each cylinder, but uses another system (but still electric - it even uses a computer to turn the heater off and on).

If you truly want something that has the tech used 50 years ago, you can probably get something you like and even do an engine swap if you prefer a (slightly) more modern engine.

 

[plumber mike]

Well, most modern motorcycles do have ABS. They also tend to wear helmets.
But a modern motorcycle has a lot of wiring too.

Same rant with a few less components. The “good” of the new vehicle gets used to prop up what isn’t. You however seem sold on it.

Vehicles have always been a symbol of freedom to me. New vehicles are removing freedoms and people willingly pay.

 

[Pilat]

The guys that really crash with gusto have ejection seats...



And here we have somebody who has never experienced the frustration of the shut off solenoid failing causing a no start...

That is an infuriating thing to hang up on an otherwise bulletproof setup. You are DRT until you get a new one. Kinda common fail point on tractors.

I have experienced solenoids failing on boats. Not in a car. Anything can be frustrating - especially if it strands you. How about a blown turbo? On a diesel? That is also too complex?
He talked about wires, not solenoids. Yes, everything can fail. Wires can corrode, switches can short-circuit and so on.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I only realised now that your Cummins does not have a glow plug for each cylinder, but uses another system (but still electric - it even uses a computer to turn the heater off and on).

If you truly want something that has the tech used 50 years ago, you can probably get something you like and even do an engine swap if you prefer a (slightly) more modern engine.

Older systems used intake air heaters controlled by a mechanical switch and/or ether injection. A block heater for cold starts is best but not required.

Nothing is needed on a "nice" day in 1970's diesel land.

 

[plumber mike]

I only realised now that your Cummins does not have a glow plug for each cylinder, but uses another system (but still electric - it even uses a computer to turn the heater off and on).

If you truly want something that has the tech used 50 years ago, you can probably get something you like and even do an engine swap if you prefer a (slightly) more modern engine.

The old Cummins has no computer at all. The grid heater is on a push button now and is usually not a necessary component.

 

[plumber mike]

I have experienced solenoids failing on boats. Not in a car. Anything can be frustrating - especially if it strands you. How about a blown turbo? On a diesel? That is also too complex?
He talked about wires, not solenoids. Yes, everything can fail. Wires can corrode, switches can short-circuit and so on.

Knowing this, why would you willingly choose to have more points of failure?

 

[Pilat]

Same rant with a few less components. The “good” of the new vehicle gets used to prop up what isn’t. You however seem sold on it.

Yes. I don't use tube amplifiers, vinyl records, carburetted NA engines or anything of that sort anymore. The "good old days" wasn't so good.

Vehicles have always been a symbol of freedom to me. New vehicles are removing freedoms and people willingly pay.

You can still buy an old vehicle and restomod the hell out of it if you want to. And since the tech is simple, you can probably make the old engine run again.
Hell, you can even still get incandescent bulbs for the lights. No need to go with diodes or halogen or anything modern. And if old enough, you don't even need to wear a seatbelt.
It is literally a choice. Keep in mind that you're running a turbo-diesel. Not a naturally-aspirated engine.

 

[Pilat]

Older systems used intake air heaters controlled by a mechanical switch and/or ether injection. A block heater for cold starts is best but not required.

Nothing is needed on a "nice" day in 1970's diesel land.

Except, he is running a 6.7L turbo-diesel Cummins that either was produced between 2007.5 - 2009 (3rd gen), or a 4th gen from 2010 till now.

 

[Pilat]

Knowing this, why would you willingly choose to have more points of failure?

Because the performance is better, and there are failsafes for a lot of things. Do you also run a carburetted engine? A NA engine? Do you hand start your engine or do you use an electric starter?

A modern phone is much more complex than old land lines. Yet, it is much better in every way possible.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Except, he is running a 6.7L turbo-diesel Cummins that either was produced between 2007.5 - 2009 (3rd gen), or a 4th gen from 2010 till now.

He said 12v Cummins which IIRC is not in your year range. Possibly has more than one rig?

You were talking about going back 50 years which is why I threw in what I did.

Yes. I don't use tube amplifiers, vinyl records, carburetted NA engines or anything of that sort anymore. The "good old days" wasn't so good.


You can still buy an old vehicle and restomod the hell out of it if you want to. And since the tech is simple, you can probably make the old engine run again.
Hell, you can even still get incandescent bulbs for the lights. No need to go with diodes or halogen or anything modern. And if old enough, you don't even need to wear a seatbelt.
It is literally a choice. Keep in mind that you're running a turbo-diesel. Not a naturally-aspirated engine.

I did that and the water is fine.

LED lights complicate the blinkers for little gain and doesn't have the welcoming yellow welcoming domelight glow I grew up with in older trucks. I do have LED license plate lights though.

I do have a 3pt seat belt, and for added safety a rubber steering wheel.

Because the performance is better, and there are failsafes for a lot of things. Do you also run a carburetted engine? A NA engine? Do you you use an electrical ignition instead of hand starting?

A modern phone is much more complex than old land lines. Yet, it is much better in every way possible.

You say these things like they are bad things...

Your description fits some of my favorite engines.
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[Pilat]

He said 12v Cummins which IIRC is not in your year range. Possibly has more than one rig?

Anything is possible.

This is where I got it from. He mentioned a "new 6.7L":

5.9L & 6.7L Cummins Turbodiesel FAQ

Frequently asked questions regarding the 5.9L and 6.7L Cummins turbodiesel found in Dodge/Ram pickups, including useful information for current owners and prospective buyers.

www.cumminshub.com

You were talking about going back 50 years which is why I threw in what I did.

Okay.

I did that and the water is fine.

Okay. I think.

LED lights complicate the blinkers for little gain and doesn't have the welcoming yellow welcoming domelight glow I grew up with in older trucks. I do have LED license plate lights though.

Leds aren't only used in blinkers, but stop/tail lights as well as position lights and headlights.
If your car can't cope with the blinkers being LED, it's a simply fix of adding inline load resistors. You don't need to do that on most modern cars, though.

I do have a 3pt seat belt, and for added safety a rubber steering wheel.

Actually, I was talking to mike. The point of the no-seatbelts was that he was also against airbags, and would prefer a roll-cage. I mentioned that he could go as far as not even having any restraints whatsoever if he bought something old enough.

You say these things like they are bad things...

No, I say those things to point out that while he rants about modern stuff being bad, his turbo-diesel Cummins is not naturally aspirated, it has an electric starter, it doesn't have carburetters, and I'm not sure if the injectors are purely mechanical or of they are electronic (I have a slight suspicion that the electronic ones are aftermarket tuning parts).

Your description fits some of my favorite engines.

Good. That's perfectly fine with me. I like tweed - the original softshell (not actually kidding).

 

[plumber mike]

Yes. I don't use tube amplifiers, vinyl records, carburetted NA engines or anything of that sort anymore. The "good old days" wasn't so good.


You can still buy an old vehicle and restomod the hell out of it if you want to. And since the tech is simple, you can probably make the old engine run again.
Hell, you can even still get incandescent bulbs for the lights. No need to go with diodes or halogen or anything modern. And if old enough, you don't even need to wear a seatbelt.
It is literally a choice. Keep in mind that you're running a turbo-diesel. Not a naturally-aspirated engine.

I think that is why we are seeing used vehicle prices climb. More and more people are choosing to go that route.
The driver experience has improved with newer vehicles, but in many instances the quality of components has not. For overlanding, I’d assume we’d value simplicity and reliability, followed by comfort and convenience. For running to the store, I’ll take the wife’s caravan with remote start, heated seats and a power liftgate. In that application, it doesn’t matter if it breaks. I’m in civilization so I can get a tow truck....or ride a bicycle home without headlights.
Your posts lead me to believe you aren’t all that familiar with some of the things I complain about.
I have both a 1990 W350 and a 2017 Ram 2500....and some others.

 

[plumber mike]

Anything is possible.

This is where I got it from. He mentioned a "new 6.7L":

5.9L & 6.7L Cummins Turbodiesel FAQ

Frequently asked questions regarding the 5.9L and 6.7L Cummins turbodiesel found in Dodge/Ram pickups, including useful information for current owners and prospective buyers.

www.cumminshub.com

Okay.





Okay. I think.


Leds aren't only used in blinkers, but stop/tail lights as well as position lights and headlights.
If your car can't cope with the blinkers being LED, it's a simply fix of adding inline load resistors. You don't need to do that on most modern cars, though.



Actually, I was talking to mike. The point of the no-seatbelts was that he was also against airbags, and would prefer a roll-cage. I mentioned that he could go as far as not even having any restraints whatsoever if he bought something old enough.





No, I say those things to point out that while he rants about modern stuff being bad, his turbo-diesel Cummins is not naturally aspirated, it has an electric starter, it doesn't have carburetters, and I'm not sure if the injectors are purely mechanical or of they are electronic (I have a suspension that the electric ones are aftermarket). propably has electronic fuel injection (or maybe that is solely after-market upgrades).

Just to be clear, I’m not anti airbags. I’m anti not having a choice about it. Great option or forced expense?

 

[Pilat]

Nah, old cars and old tech aren't actually that dependable. There's a reason the Japanese came to the rule for decades, when the US (and European) car industry thought they could get away with slapping something together.

So, which is your 6.7L Cummins? And what year is it from? Both me and 85_Ranger would like to know.