"New Technology Rage/Hate/Praise Thread"

plumber mike

Adventurer
I'm pretty sure that my two+ decades of working accidents makes me right, in this instance...lol. New vehicles are exponentially safer than older ones. Even a 10 year difference in age can make a drastic difference in survivability.
Avoiding the accident still seems best to me.
Do you notice a difference in the number of accidents between now and when you started?
 

plumber mike

Adventurer
Yup, that's what I thought. Most modern engines do. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

But you do have a choice. You can buy really expensive cars where auto braking, airbags and so on are options, or you can buy old cars and restomod them. My dream restomod is an Alfaholics GTA-R. Really nice.
In practice, though, my next small car will probably be a Honda E if and when it becomes available here.
You missed option 3. Having both.

We took the old K5 to the movies tonight. Ford vs. Ferrari. Excellent flick. A little warning..... The safety conscious among you will cringe.
 
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Deleted member 9101

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Avoiding the accident still seems best to me.
Do you notice a difference in the number of accidents between now and when you started?

Not really. There are more vehicles on the road now, so there is no drop in the total number of accidents. The injuries we treat now are not nearly as severe and we have fewer fatalities.

I rolled up on a 2015-17 F150 that hit a tree at 70mph. The front of the truck was absolutely destroyed, it hit hard enough to put the drivers side suspension and wheel under the frame.... The driver sustained no injuries. If she had been in an older truck, she would not have been so fortunate.

As for avoiding an accident...my wife was stopped at a red light, 5th and last car in line and was rear ended by a Dodge Durango doing ~50 mph and propelled into the vehicle in front of her. Avoidance wasn't an option for her...but a 5 star safety rating paid for its self in an instant. She was in a 2014 Altima and had no injuries, only soreness from the seatbelt. Has she been in my 2002 Tundra, she would have sustained some form of injury as did the people in the next two vehicles in front of her.

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Wallygator

Adventurer
I saw this and thought, what a great thread.

I'm on the side of....

the best 4x4s came with carburetors

The only issues I have with the EV's are the low range compounded with long refill time coupled with the price of those things. I mean really! There is no way a bunch of batteries, a couple of electric motors, and a bunch of wire costs as much to make or more than a normal ICE powered car.
 

shade

Well-known member
The only issues I have with the EV's are the low range compounded with long refill time coupled with the price of those things. I mean really! There is no way a bunch of batteries, a couple of electric motors, and a bunch of wire costs as much to make or more than a normal ICE powered car.
It may seem that way until considering the source of those batteries, motors, and associated controls.

Manufacturers are spending a considerable amount of money developing electric drivetrain technology that didn't exist a few years ago. Compare that to the well established ICE tech that has many millions of units produced annually, and the costs associated with an EV become a little easier to understand.
 

Wallygator

Adventurer
It may seem that way until considering the source of those batteries, motors, and associated controls.

Manufacturers are spending a considerable amount of money developing electric drivetrain technology that didn't exist a few years ago. Compare that to the well established ICE tech that has many millions of units produced annually, and the costs associated with an EV become a little easier to understand.

I understand what you are saying but I still don't see it. These EV's mean huge profits for the manufacturers.
 

Pilat

Tossing ewoks on Titan
I understand what you are saying but I still don't see it. These EV's mean huge profits for the manufacturers.

Go price 90-200 kWh of LiFeYPo4 batteries. And then consider they have to also build the rest of the car. They probably aren't using LiFeYPo4, but it will give you an idea.
 
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Beeping....Everything Beeps.

Open the door.....BEEP
Close the door.....DEEP
Seat belt beep
Back up beep
Lane change beep
Car in blind spot beep
turn beep-turn signal still on beep
Back up beep go forward beep
Leave the lights on beep (not so bad)
Leave the key in beep

fuel low beep-ok, I don't mind this one

BEEP
BEEP
BEEP
BEEP

or maybe
Ding
Ding
Ding
 

Pilat

Tossing ewoks on Titan
Beeping....Everything Beeps.

Open the door.....BEEP
Close the door.....DEEP
Seat belt beep
Back up beep
Lane change beep
Car in blind spot beep
turn beep-turn signal still on beep
Back up beep go forward beep
Leave the lights on beep (not so bad)
Leave the key in beep

fuel low beep-ok, I don't mind this one

BEEP
BEEP
BEEP
BEEP

or maybe
Ding
Ding
Ding

That is something I can get behind. Too many audio signals. Annoys the hell out of me. A seat belt ding is okay (to make sure I'm not forgetting to strap the kids in). Other than that, I can also live with a tick-tick of the indicator, but apart from that, I much prefer visual signals to audio ones.
 

85_Ranger4x4

Well-known member
Beeping....Everything Beeps.

Open the door.....BEEP
Close the door.....DEEP
Seat belt beep
Back up beep
Lane change beep
Car in blind spot beep
turn beep-turn signal still on beep
Back up beep go forward beep
Leave the lights on beep (not so bad)
Leave the key in beep

fuel low beep-ok, I don't mind this one

BEEP
BEEP
BEEP
BEEP

or maybe
Ding
Ding
Ding

The seat belt thing is one thing I love about my ‘150. After clicking/in clicking the seatbelt once it doesn’t care anymore. Backing something into the barn, hooking up to a trailer, opening gates... the truck isn’t having a panic attack over the seat belt like a newer one.
 

shade

Well-known member
Beeping....Everything Beeps.

Open the door.....BEEP
Close the door.....DEEP
Seat belt beep
Back up beep
Lane change beep
Car in blind spot beep
turn beep-turn signal still on beep
Back up beep go forward beep
Leave the lights on beep (not so bad)
Leave the key in beep

fuel low beep-ok, I don't mind this one

BEEP
BEEP
BEEP
BEEP

or maybe
Ding
Ding
Ding
A polite lady warns me if I don't buckle up in my Honda; no beepin' dings involved.
 

Pilat

Tossing ewoks on Titan
The weird thing here is that cognitive load is (supposed to be) a staple of UX engineering, you have to make the intended task just complicated enough to require deliberate action on the part of the user, to avoid the equivalent of a butt-dial on whatever you're engineering. But just easy enough that it can be done without creating a distraction or bottleneck in the workflow.

Giving everything a beep just makes the user tune out beeps. If everything's an emergency nothing is an emergency, it loses all meaning.
Spot on!
 

roving1

Well-known member
I hate electronic parking brakes.

Right off the bat you lose a host of advanced/fun driving techniques that are just lost forever.

Another expensive electronic thing to diagnose and to replace when it fails.

What I can't stand the most is when you get into a car and it rocks back and forth enough to fire off the parking brake because the vehicle thinks it's rolling away with a rash of binging and bonging noise and messages across the dash.

Also for the few manuals left in this world I am forever letting up the clutch but the stupid parking brake has not released yet because it takes longer than a cable brake does. So I get to wait longer while the car screams at me that the brake is still on. Ugh. Hate EPBs!
 

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