Steve,
I was wrong. I did not mean to suggest you implied calling anyone an idiot. In that I was wrong, and I apologize.
Thanks for apologizing but when you said...
While you did not call the "average winch user" idiots... You did imply such by saying that performing a splice is above their capabilities.
...that seemed pretty straight forward and I don't see how you "did not mean to suggest" when you flat out said it. Maybe I just read things too plainly, who knows.
I am not comfortable with the stigma you are placing on the intricacies of one being able to work on their own line. I think you are cutting the average winch user short in their knowledge and capabilities.
OK - I'll even summarize it again to make it even more clear.
1 - the average synthetic winch line owner does not have the current knowledge to splice line
2 - the average synthetic winch line owner can gain the knowledge to splice line
3 - splicing line is not overly difficult
4 - teaching people how to fix their own lines is a good thing
5 - implying that I said/feel/think people are "idiots" for not knowing how to splice line when I NEVER said that is NOT cool and I will NOT stand for that. If you don't intend to attack me then don't do that again.
6 - let's get this thread back on topic.
Refer to #1, 2, & 3 above. I don't know how I can make this anymore simple or how you think I'm placing any sort of "stigma" on how to splice line. Refer to #3 specifically. I can't make this anymore simple, nor straightforward, and thusly feel you are trolling for a fight since I said #3 and you seem to think I'm placing some stigma out there. Again, maybe I read things too plainly, who knows...
This is factually inaccurate. At no time in this quote did you mention anything about conditions. The first time synthetic line user will read that and assume any field splice is inferior to a bench splice. Or that the process is somehow different. They are not. The only variable may be the tools available to get the job done.
And here we go again.
A line can be spliced in the field perfect..." but it is easier to do it in a controlled environment.
Anything is easier to do in a controlled environment - period. Also I wheel - I wheel a lot. A winch line or anything on a vehicle off road is not typically going to break in a nice area where you can do your repair. You break when you are winching, off camber, when something else is already broken, in mud, in the rain, at night, etc etc etc. It is easier to repair a broken winch line in a controlled environment than in the field.
Now refer again to my quote above where I state that a line can be spliced perfect in the field. I'm getting really tired of you nit picking every little word I say and how I say it. You can do a complete step by step splice in the field but there are some shortcuts for a field repair that a user can take if they do not recall every step to splice or if they don't have reference material to refer back to. One of those is with the taper. Instead of remembering which strands to pull and cut at the very end of the line you can cut that with a knife at an angle. That is a difference. I'm not going to spend half an hour here typing a rebuttal or a thesis where each and every word can be 100% analyzed and raked over the coals. If you like refer to my quotes above again, especially 1, 2, & 3 and #6 wouldn't be bad either. Also the one I repeated (again) below.
A line can be spliced in the field perfect..." but it is easier to do it in a controlled environment.
IMO, for the money, learning to take the splice apart and put on a different thimble is far less expensive. And it allows the user to practice the splice for eventual repairs down the road.
I agree with you. The catch is the vast majority of people I come into contact with in the field, wheeling, and at events, or at the shop don't want to learn how to splice. Some do and I'm happy to teach those. I even encourage people to learn how to repair their synthetic winch line as wheelers should be able to repair higher wear parts on their rigs as they are the most likely to fail. Ie: replace a CV, control link, or repair a winch line as opposed to replacing your headliner or steering wheel in the field.
I also stand by my statement that most folks will likely have the tools needed to perform a splice laying under their seat, as opposed to a set of snap ring pliers in their tool kit.
I mostly agree with you here - BUT - the ProLink, or any similar product that might come on the market - is not the solution for repairing a broken synthetic winch line. If the line is broken you have to splice it before you can install a ProLink so if you have a regular thimble then put it on then if the eye broke. I could dig up a quote from me about this but I'm tired of chasing this around. Now refer to #6 and I'll even quote it again.
OK - I'll even summarize it again to make it even more clear.
1 - the average synthetic winch line owner does not have the current knowledge to splice line
2 - the average synthetic winch line owner can gain the knowledge to splice line
3 - splicing line is not overly difficult
4 - teaching people how to fix their own lines is a good thing
5 - implying that I said/feel/think people are "idiots" for not knowing how to splice line when I NEVER said that is NOT cool and I will NOT stand for that. If you don't intend to attack me then don't do that again.
6 - let's get this thread back on topic.
And again with only #6.
6 - let's get this thread back on topic.
As far as I see I have addressed everyone of your concerns so those should be put to bed. I apologize to the original poster and anyone who has been following this thread for the thread going off topic.
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