question to all LR owners

4Rescue

Expedition Leader
Antichrist said:
Well, I was actually talking about the stock Toyota 6cyl diesel, but I expect they are pretty few and far between. I've only personally seen one, and that was over 20 years ago.

There's a guy in Maine who put an Isuzu 6 in his DII.
Yeah, an original toyota Diesel of any variety 2L, 2Lte, 2-3B, 1HZ/HD-T, 1KZ-T, D4D etc... They're all near as rare as frogs hair eh. I'd kill to have a D4D or 1KZ-T in my truck...

Did Rover ever offer ANY of their diesels in N.A. trucks???

It's really so sad to have traveled around the world and gotten to wheel all of these amazing Diesel powered trucks then coming home to find SQUAT in this department that isn't a full sized domestic. My mates RHD 2B FJ40 is a close as I've come in a few years, but it's one neat truck.

Cheers

Dave
 

leafsprung

New member
Did Rover ever offer ANY of their diesels in N.A. trucks???


Rover was the first company to offer a diesel in a light 4wd in North America in 1956. They stopped selling them here in 1967.

No 4wd is perfect. Ive had 8 land cruisers and dozens of land rovers. They will all give you fits from time to time. I like the wide variety of rover models. They are ideally suited for conversion with a very modular construction, strong chassis, and lightweight body.
 
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Oilburner

Adventurer
leafsprung said:
Rover was the first company to offer a diesel in a light 4wd in North America in 1956. They stopped selling them here in 1967.

No 4wd is perfect. Ive had 8 land cruisers and dozens of land rovers. They will all give you fits from time to time. I like the wide variety of rover models. They are ideally suited for conversion with a very modular construction, strong chassis, and lightweight body.

Well well look who showed up :coffeedrink:
 

Antichrist

Expedition Leader
leafsprung said:
Rover was the first company to offer a diesel in a light 4wd in North America in 1956.
Which is sort of ironic since the CJ3B was being built with Perkins diesels in the rest of the world in the early 50's, before Land Rover released their diesel, yet Willys didn't sell them in the US until '61.
 

Maryland 110

Adventurer
Antichrist said:
Well, I was actually talking about the stock Toyota 6cyl diesel, but I expect they are pretty few and far between. I've only personally seen one, and that was over 20 years ago

I had a 1986 Toyota 2b 4 liter Land Cuiser diesel in my 110 mated to an Lt95. It had plenty of torque and given the right circumstances (ie sea level) could propel the heavy truck to 75mph. I switched to a defender 200tdi and lt77s and 230 setup and the difference in driveablity is huge. Like Keith I'm going full width intercooler, and injection pump tweaks in the Spring. I don't miss the 750lb 2b engine @ all. It was dirt simple and I never had to replace anything other than filters. The engine was 20+ years old and I got 2k for it over on Ih8mud so they must be rare.
 
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CDNRover

New member
Personal point of view

After all that been said, I guess the reason why you own a Rover is more of a fanatical one. I owned a 88 series III for a couple of year where I rebuilt it. Then sold it. I had a Lada Niva and if the tranny would have made the ride (after 4 of them) I would have keep it. Then a toyota 4Runner with his famous 22re engine. This is so far the most reliable truck of them all. Changed it for a 110 ex-mod. The 110 ex-mod GS is my favourite because of it's 3 doors, the back has a load capacity and I'm not talking about 3/4 ton but more of a handy-square form of the back. I can sleep inside and customize every inches. If you are looking to live with a Rover then buy one. There's not a single day that passes without troubleshooting it, doing mechanic on it or, buying parts, etc. etc.. You know It's no that hard to do every bits needed to be done (and believe me you'll have plenty). Nor is the parts expensive, you can order the smallest part you need without having to buy the complete unit. For me even a trip to the store to get some milk becomes an adventure. You feel like M.Cunnigham in the Stephen King book Christine. It's a bond between machine and human. When the God D*mn truck isn't in need of repair it's an indescribable feeling being with it. For the last 2 years all I did was rebuilding every parts of it. It's so easy to do even outside at -30. See I don't have a fancy garage I do it outside with a minimal mechanic box. So far it hasn't cost me a fortune but, sometimes it's hard to see the point because it's frustrating not having a L-R store close to me. All parts come from U.K. with an average 2-3 weeks delivery.


I thought I could resume better then the other lads, but after all it's personal and the reason for owning one ain't logical.. It's more like you were born to it..I hope I'm not sounding too crazy! And if I had to do it all over again? believe me I would. I hope this might help you out mate.
 

Chriscanoe

Observer
I wanna play! So, I am a Land cruiser addict, am currently on # 6, a 1996 FEZJ 80, Best truck I have ever owned. Previously had 2 fj62's, 2 fj40's, and a 100 series, (all of which had plenty of soul). All that being said, the only other vehicle other than a Land Cruiser I would ever consider buying would be a Landy. No toyota owner could ever rightfully deny Land Rover its heritage and accomplishments. We should not be bashing each other, we should be bashing Land Rover, for not correcting the problems that they have, thus making a great line greater. We should be bashing both companies for not allowing the more utilitarian, d110, d90, and 70 series LC into the US. We should be bashing both companies for not engineering a more fuel efficient, environmentally responsible vehicle across the board.

To the Gentleman who started this thread, Is a Land Rover for me? by asking the question, I do bet you all ready answered that question before you asked it.

Buy one, make it comfey, dig into it, maintain it. Enjoy the journey!:smiley_drive:
 

michaelgroves

Explorer
Did Rover ever offer ANY of their diesels in N.A. trucks???
The problem with Land Rover diesels (speaking of older trucks, up to D2) is that they're all small. IMO, the 300Tdi was (is) a great engine, but it's only a 2.5 litre 4-cylinder producing just over 80kW. Rightly or wrongly, that's thought to be way too small to appeal to the American market. The TD5 wasn't much better - same capacity, 5 cylinders, and a few extra horses.

Diesels accounted for around 80-90% of the European sales of Discovery 1s and 2s and pretty much all Defenders, but that's at least partly due to the outrageous price of fuel here.

The power and smoothness of the V8 was very nice (the 200 and 300Tdis were kinda agricultural in nature), but if you could get past that, the diesels had all the advantages.

I guess at the end of the day, it was just that Land Rover knew they'd always be small players in the States, and they didn't want to be offering and supporting too many different models in the range.
 

jnaut

Observer
I'm a tall guy, 6 foot 3 and have a 70lbs K-9 I will be taking on my expeditions.

Without speaking to any other LR issue, I'm 6'3" and am very long bodied. People think that because I'm tall, I must have long legs, not true. I drove a land rover discovery for a while (one family member had one) and the roofline drove me effing bananas. I had to duck to see lights turn green because they were completely blocked by the wrapover roofline.

Just one opinion.
 

craig

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
I'm 6'2" and have no trouble seeing lights in a Discovery II.
 

Yorker

Adventurer
The problem with Land Rover diesels (speaking of older trucks, up to D2) is that they're all small. IMO, the 300Tdi was (is) a great engine, but it's only a 2.5 litre 4-cylinder producing just over 80kW. Rightly or wrongly, that's thought to be way too small to appeal to the American market. The TD5 wasn't much better - same capacity, 5 cylinders, and a few extra horses.

Diesels accounted for around 80-90% of the European sales of Discovery 1s and 2s and pretty much all Defenders, but that's at least partly due to the outrageous price of fuel here.

The power and smoothness of the V8 was very nice (the 200 and 300Tdis were kinda agricultural in nature), but if you could get past that, the diesels had all the advantages.

I guess at the end of the day, it was just that Land Rover knew they'd always be small players in the States, and they didn't want to be offering and supporting too many different models in the range.


The last diesel LR offered in the US was the 2.25 diesel back in the 1960's IIRC they eliminated it as an option well before they left the North American market ~1974. The 2.25 has an abyssmal reputation here, it just wasn't suited for how Americans back then wanted to use their LRs.
 

JackW

Explorer
The last diesel LR offered in the US was the 2.25 diesel back in the 1960's IIRC they eliminated it as an option well before they left the North American market ~1974. The 2.25 has an abyssmal reputation here, it just wasn't suited for how Americans back then wanted to use their LRs.

I've got over 375,000 miles on my 2.25 diesel - you just have to adjust your driving style to accept that you're gonna be the guy the old VW buses get to pass.
 

Yorker

Adventurer
I've got over 375,000 miles on my 2.25 diesel - you just have to adjust your driving style to accept that you're gonna be the guy the old VW buses get to pass.

That is cool, is that without any serious work done to it? I have a 2.25 D to put in my '65 but people keep trying to talk me out of it...

The old 2.25s seem to go and go and go, they just don't go anywhere fast. Petrol or Diesel... :D
 

Nonimouse

Cynical old bastard
Wow my first post! Been lurking as a guest for some while now but recently decided to join. I like this forum!

What's the best vehicle? How many times has that been asked? I have had some good mileage (and wordage) out of that one in articles; down 'the pub'; round campfires; sheltering from the rain under leaky basha's and up to my waste in mud trying to fix yet another broken something.

let me introduce myself before I go any further - my names Nonimouse; my friends call me Noni. Land Rovers have featured heavily in my life since I first came into this world almost 43 years ago. My Dad brought me and my mum home form hospital, through heavy snow, in our '49 Series 1 80". It was my mum's pride and joy - she has now owned it for just about 50 years! I strated competing in my own Series 1 at the age of 14, since then I have trialled, raced, overlanded, worked, loved and hated all sorts of 4x4's. There's even a high chance my youngest daughter was concieved in a Range Rover Classic:). I have worked for Land Rover (experience), Toyota, Nissan, Porshe and VW as an instructor, trained aid agency staff, clubs, journalists and joe public. Add to this10's of 1000's of miles in 47 countries on 4 continents in most makes of off roader. Every day I realise how much I haven't learned.

So what is best? It all depends on what you want, where you want it and how you want to do it. Get a sheet of paper and right down the pro's and con's then weigh up the facts, put it all to one side and let your heart decide!

I would choose a 300Tdi Defender CSW 110 as my first, with a 130 Crewcab/quad tech as my second, coming in a close third would be a '97 Toyota Hi-lux crew cab, Japanese spec with the 3.0ltr naturally aspirated Diesel. My choice so I would never push it on someone else (like religion)

Why? Easy - simplicity. Land Rovers are not reliable, except in the fact that when they break, they are easy and cheap to fix; and parts are everywhere!
An 80 series 'cruiser (God love em to bits) is reliable {maybe not as much as a GQ Patrol but close on}, however they are a pain to fix WHEN they break and getting parts in remote places of the planet is not as easy as some think.
The Hi-lux however is also known as the Third World Troop Carrier, capable of carrying a Russian made 20mm cannon and 15 guys accross the worst terrain in the world. It can be fixed with a hammer, like a Land Rover; and like the ubiquitous Land Rover, if you can't find the part you can bodge it.
Proper G wagons (ie pre electrics) are the same as are Leaf Sprung Patrols with the 3.3SDT lump; Honda XL's are in the same catagory as well.

The thing is the above suits my mentality and my aims in life. But how many times do we all sing form the same hymn book?

Sorry to post so heavily the first time - I'll take a rap on the knuckles and try not to do it again:)
 

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