Ram vs. Chev vs Ford (3/4 ton)

[thethePete]

^ The new F150 has cab-mount style isolating blocks on the box. They're a fairly massive apperatus, actually. Looks almost like a cab-mount, but bigger actually. That's why I said you can't just generalize. A quick google didn't find a picture of one. If I remember at work on Monday, I'll try to snap a pic when I see one on the hoist.

Also, you're right, most of the new kits don't require the bed to be removed, they slide in from the sides and bolt together.

No need for people to start getting at each other's throats. There is no one-size-fits-all solution, that's why there are different hitch styles; different applications.

 

[IdaSHO]

And thats why I asked for an example.

Is it exclusive to the 1/2 ton though?

Or does it continue into the 3/4 and 1-ton?


If its 1/2 ton exclusive, it really has no business with a goose or 5th wheel hitch anyhow.


Id def like to see pics. Thanks

 

[IdaSHO]

Also, is the F150 you are talking about aluminum bodied?

Bushings might be used to isolate the bed from the steel chassis, for good reason!

 

[thethePete]

Yes, I'm referring to the aluminum one, and I know it's a 1/2 ton, which disqualifies it from gooseneck/5th wheel duty. That wasn't my point. My point was that every manufacturer does something different, and many times it changes from year to year. So there is no blanket statement that covers all trucks. The Chev 3500 I did used small isolating pads just to keep the surfaces from being metal on metal, other vehicles use larger, puck style mounts similar to a cab. Some bolt in 6 spots, some bolt in 8. I'm sure the new F150 uses more extensive isolation purely because of the aluminum body structure. But the frame is definitely an impressive piece of engineering.

The new SD hasn't been released yet, so I don't know if they used the same style on them; and I forgot to check under the one I saw at the auto show on Friday. Though the front end looks better in person, I still don't really like it compared to the current one.

 

[IdaSHO]

I hope the front end looks better in person :sombrero:


Thanks,

 

[thethePete]

Marginally. I think it might grow on me, but it's really slabby. The rest of the truck looks sharp, but the mirrors seem small compared to the current gen. Similar to the F150 mirrors, which have phenominal visibility despite shrinking from the last gen tow-mirrors.

It's like the new Nissan Titan. It looks better in person, but that doesn't mean it looks great lol

 

[IdaSHO]

I think the new super duty looks like a GMC from the front...

The titan looks like a deep water fish..... :snorkel:

 

[thethePete]

I more meant the fact that they look like poo in pictures, but they look acceptable in person, not that they actually look like each other.

I agree, there are a lot of parallels between the new SD front and the GM front, part of it is the fact that you can only design the front end so many different ways to get the aero and cooling required. But the SD looks WAY different in person from pictures, even after having seen it in person, it looks quite different in pictures than real life.

The truck at the show was that Ford burgandy colour (not really crazy on that colour, myself); and the front end looks WAY busier in person. Maybe less so once the lights turn on, but with them off there's just so much going on.

 

[IdaSHO]

I think a lighter color like the white as shown "hides" all that chrome better.

That red you mention, it probably shows the chrome off better, so the front end looks busier.

 

[boxcar1]

Ford, Chevy, Dodge, International Harvester, Nissan , Toyota , Mitsubishi , Hell even Jeep all use isolators.
Here are just a few examples for ya .
Chevy

Ford

More ford

Nissan full body ( cab and bed )


Do you need more?

And as I stated earlier not all installations require bed removal .
Just depends on the hitch and truck chassis.

An interesting side note is that the Hitch pictured has only 4 bolts attaching the cross support to the wing plates . All in shear. In fact every fastener on that hitch is in shear.
The hitch requires 3 holes cut through the bed . Unless you don't plan on running safety chains.

http://4wheelonline.com/Images/BW-Towing/BW-Slide-1.jpg

 

[IdaSHO]

Provide links, not photos.

And specific mention of said "isolating blocks" as you say they are referred to in the industry.




Thanks

 

[boxcar1]

Look them up yourself . I have better things to do.
You asked for specific examples and I provided them .
All OEM parts.
I will have to correct myself here. The bolts shown in the 1st Video show U bolts being used to attach the wing plates to the chassis . Not a shearing condition...
I would still prefer a direct bolt through condition over U bolts in that application. Just not in shear. Say through the top and bottom of the frame as well as through the existing holes in the side.

 

[thethePete]

I've never seen those blocks you showed for Chevy, what truck did they come from? I worked at a GM dealer for 2 years and don't ever remember seeing a block that big anywhere stock. Those look like lift blocks for a body lift. The picture for the Ford with the bolts; those are speednuts, not blocks. They clip to a piece of body metal and that's what the bed bolts attach to... Same as Chevy. And Dodge, IIRC. The fasteners are floating so they can be assembled and adjusted to line up body lines and for ease of installation on the assembly line. Cab nuts are floating for the same reason. The other picture they're like, 1/16th thick shims that are there just to keep it from being metal on metal.

3 holes, my goodness, well that changes everything. Also, the fasteners are in shear because the load bearing plate sits directly on the frame rails and those bolts just keep it from falling off, more or less. There is absolutely no risk of them failing, not to mention the shear strength of any one of those bolts is enough to hang the truck off of and then some. How would you propose to put them in tension instead, and how would that be stronger?

5th wheels have their place, and so do goosenecks. How do you figure a 5th wheel putting the weight onto the bed surface and transferring through it, is better than a solid plate sitting directly on the frame with a hole through the bed? Unless you have a 5th wheel prep package on your truck you're cutting the bed either way.

ETA: What is "the industry" you keep referring to?

 

[IdaSHO]

Hold up

I found your supposed sources.

Chevy
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Ford
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More ford
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Nissan full body ( cab and bed )
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Do you need more?

And as I stated earlier not all installations require bed removal .
Just depends on the hitch and truck chassis.

An interesting side note is that the Hitch pictured has only 4 bolts attaching the cross support to the wing plates . All in shear. In fact every fastener on that hitch is in shear.
The hitch requires 3 holes cut through the bed . Unless you don't plan on running safety chains.

http://4wheelonline.com/Images/BW-Towing/BW-Slide-1.jpg

Photo #1

http://www.classicindustries.com/product/1951/truck/parts/ct287.html
1947-53 Bed Mount Kit

Yes, thats a 1947 to 1953 bed mount kit.

Hardly applicable to this thread, dont you think?

But hey, they are bushings, so Ill give you that one lol

Photo #2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-2014-F...ed-bolts-and-clips-NEW-TAKEOFFS-/141936372517

Those items you THINK are bushing in that photo are not. Those are the clips that slip over the frame and the bolts thread into.

Not bushings. Sorry

Photo #3

http://shop.so-cal-az.com/product.sc?productId=749&categoryId=66

Those are bed to frame pads, not bushings.

Photo #4

Really, a Nissan?? What year specifically?

 

[IdaSHO]

ETA: What is "the industry" you keep referring to?

Not sure its worth any more effort.


Boxcar seems to be talking in circles again.

Arguing just to argue.