Ram vs. Chev vs Ford (3/4 ton)

[boxcar1]

Try somewhere other than ebay for your research Ida.
The first Ford blocks are not clips but vulcanized rubber mounts.
Yes the Chevy mounts are from a 47-53 . Still isolators.
The Nissans are from a current rig and the second Ford pic is for a 1995 F-250 / 350.
All are isolators . All called by different names by different people but by definition isolators.
2 years in a chevy dealership hugh?
40 years in the automotive industry as a designer / builder.
I have worked for Ford / Quicker / Warren / Was head of engineering for Road Master. And am the owner of Mills enterprises Inc.
We have 2 subsidiary co's . dealing strictly with automotive design and fabrication. Mostly hot rods / restorations and custom off road builds. I am also a custom bike builder.
All rubber / Mylar / plastic or resign mounts are isolators......

 

[thethePete]

Yes, and now 6 years and counting as a Ford technician, as well as a wealth of other industrial experience; I didn't realize I needed to present my resume to you in order for you to realize that you're being a pedant and you're wrong.

We'll call them isolators, to keep it simple for you. But again, they're not required to be removed from the truck in order for a gooseneck to be installed. Did someone with a gooseneck trailer kill your family or something? What is with your unwarranted aggression towards them?

Cute that you acknowledge using a completely irrelevent vehicle for your example, right before touting your "40 years in the automotive industry". I've worked for Ford, Goodyear, GM, as well as private fabrication houses; see, I know how to wave my ******** around too.

Designer/builder for OEMs? I didn't realize they were scraping for change so hard they had to merge departments. Your lack of experience with the topic at hand is showing. Building hotrods and "custom bikes" is not even close to applicable to the topic of installing gooseneck or 5th wheel hitches in modern 3/4-ton and 1-ton trucks. I ran an industrial sewing machine for a while too, but I didn't feel that it was relevant to the topic...

Oh, and give me one example of a modern, domestic truck that mounts the fuel tank to the bed, since you brought it up earlier.

 

[IdaSHO]

This isnt new for him, unfortunately

He routinely challenges within a thread, then produces examples to support his case that are nowhere near relative to the topic at hand.

 

[Freebird]

Say, what was this thread originally about, anyway? Does anybody remember ? Lol

 

[thethePete]

I think it was something about cooking with salt blocks?

 

[boxcar1]

Yes, and now 6 years and counting as a Ford technician, as well as a wealth of other industrial experience; I didn't realize I needed to present my resume to you in order for you to realize that you're being a pedant and you're wrong.

You brought up experience , not me ..... I was just responding.

We'll call them isolators, to keep it simple for you. But again, they're not required to be removed from the truck in order for a gooseneck to be installed. Did someone with a gooseneck trailer kill your family or something? What is with your unwarranted aggression towards them?

You don't get my point . I never talked about removing them . When the hitch is installed it ties through the box of the truck essentially ridged mounting the bed.
The isolators are still there , just not able to do there job correctly. That is if the hitch itself is bolted in any way through the box floor.

Cute that you acknowledge using a completely irrelevent vehicle for your example, right before touting your "40 years in the automotive industry". I've worked for Ford, Goodyear, GM, as well as private fabrication houses; see, I know how to wave my ******** around too.

I was asked to provide examples, so I did. I covered the field from vintage to current just to make sure I was clear.

Designer/builder for OEMs? I didn't realize they were scraping for change so hard they had to merge departments.

If you are going to quote me don't add to the text.

40 years in the automotive industry as a designer / builder.

Your lack of experience with the topic at hand is showing. Building hotrods and "custom bikes" is not even close to applicable to the topic of installing gooseneck or 5th wheel hitches in modern 3/4-ton and 1-ton trucks. I ran an industrial sewing machine for a while too, but I didn't feel that it was relevant to the topic...

You overlooked " head of engineering for Road master " We kind of designed this kind of stuff....... Ever hear of the StowMaster????? Just one of the over 300 suspension towing and braking products developed and marketed by a company while I was employed by them . The companies sole purpose was dedicated to the RV market....

Oh, and give me one example of a modern, domestic truck that mounts the fuel tank to the bed, since you brought it up earlier.

Domestic ? Try various years of Nissan's Built in California...

Oh , and by the way , I never mentioned domestic now did I?
And please define " modern " . Give me a year range since we are now getting specific.


And to Ida's remark. If you fallow his posts here and on pirate . He tends to advise only what he owns and or drives and nothing else . If one disagrees with him . The bully in him rears it's ugly head.
He seems to feel that he is an authority on all subjects from generators to 5th wheel hitches and everything in between .
I find it funny and very transparent. He's a classic. There is at least one on every forum.
I'm not sure when this discussion strayed from it's original format . I apologies for being involved.

This all started when someone sed that the gooseneck was a better hitch than an overbar . NOT TRUE . All I did was compare the two and give an honest ( if some what abbreviated )
evaluation of both. I then mentioned that I own and use a gooseneck...............
Now pull your teeth and dicks back in your respective pants and let's get on with this.

I like Fords.

 

[thethePete]

"40 years in the automotive industry as a designer / builder.
I have worked for Ford / Quicker / Warren / Was head of engineering for Road Master"

Sorry, I guess you should have been more clear.

You're still changing the parameters of the argument to try and win.


Goose necks do not attach to the bed of the truck. Period. They cut a hole and pass through. Where are you getting this idea that they solid mount the bed somehow? I'm also confident you mentioned removing these isolators so the bed was somehow more solid mounted than they already are. Stick to one story?

Provde proof. Nissan mounts their fuel tank to the bed, not the frame? I find that VERY VERY suspect. What years? I just worked on an 03 Frontier as a used vehicle, fuel tank was bolted to the frame like every other pickup on the planet. Furthermore, show me a Nissan 3/4 ton. Not to mention this topic was about the major 3 domestic manufacturers. Not whatever oddball example you wanna dredge up to try and be right.

 

[boxcar1]

1 brand does not (That I know of) attach to the bed . Many actually do bolt to the bed floor. Some with the " flip plate" bolt to the bed with 4 - 6 grade 8 carriage bolts.
I own one....
Re read my post . I never stated that the isolators were to be removed... Sorry.
You are chasing your tail . Go back and re read the entire post . All will be reveled....

Oh hell I'll do it for ya. Page 4....

Not to mention the amount of structure that must be added to the truck chassis below the bed to properly install a good neck flip down hitch.
Not a task for the faint at hart. All of the additions must be to factory spec and or dealer approval or your warrantee is void.
NO WELDING IS ALLOWED to the frame of the truck. All fixtures must be bolt on. Any welding must be done off the truck , then installed.
Having installed both style hitches over the years I'd recommend using the style that you are most comfortable with. Both work well.
By the way . I have an F 350 with a hide away goose neck hitch. A 95 to be exact. When installed we found it easier to remove the bed, then make the chassis mods and reinstall the bed.
Not all gooseneck conversions require that amount of effort to install but some do.
I chose the gooseneck for one reason . I rarely use my 5th wheel . It's a car hauler. And was built as a gooseneck trailer.
Yes the gooseneck may be easier to hook up severely off angle , I wouldn't know . I'd never be dumb enough to drop my 35' 5th wheel in a spot where I'd have to test that theory.

Last edited by boxcar1; 03-25-2016 at 07:03 PM.

You are forgetting something Idasho . The factory bed mounts are rubber cushioned mounts. Your hitch pictured lock's the bed isolators out.
Ending up with a solid ridged mounted bed. NO factory WARRENTEE. Ford Chevy or Chrysler. As do most old style 5th wheel hitches.
Most rv owners don't have a hoist large enough to lift a bed off a truck. I do . And it sounds like you do ( or have 4 or 5 good burly friends with nothing better to do) but most don't.
And depending on the truck you may have to drop the tanks, which on some trucks are suspended from the bed.


It' just not as simple as you try to make it seem.
If you pay to have it done , get ready for a large bill. No reputable shop will pull a truck bed for under a grand. That's not including the hitch , bed modifications and wiring just the labor to remove and reinstall the bed.
As to the trailer manufacturers and there warrantee. Who knows?
If the trailer wasn't designed with allowances for the added torque at the neck , I'd shy away from the conversion.
As I stated earlier my 5th wheel was designed and built as a gooseneck.
And no Idashow the over bar 5th wheel hitch design actually spreads the torque to the truck frame better than the gooseneck you picture. It has a larger foot print and a much wider bolt pattern there by reducing the torque by spreading it over a larger aria..........

Now you have had the opportunity to read what I actually wrote I hope this clears things up.
I was being very general as I am speaking to a crowd of different owners all with varying needs. Not just some Ford guy.

 

[IdaSHO]

And in more circles.

Even progressing to personal attacks.

This is getting good!

 

[boxcar1]

Even progressing to personal attacks.

This is getting good!

Yes you did Idashow.

This isnt new for him, unfortunately

He routinely challenges within a thread, then produces examples to support his case that are nowhere near relative to the topic at hand.

What works for you can be turned around.:wings:

Thanks for proving my point. It was unexpected.

 

[Freebird]

Let it REST, GUYS! No winners here, only losers.....

 

[thethePete]

F350 on the top.

Ida, I was mistaken it's the cab mounts that got silly on the new f150. Neither has anything more than a thin piece of hdpe to separate the bed from the frame.

And that picture boxcar posted is not a modern vehicle nor domestic.

Whatever. These pics for Ida's curiosity is the only reason I came back. I'm done trying to convince someone on the Internet they're wrong. I don't care anymore. I have enough ignorant people to argue with in the real world.

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[IdaSHO]

copy that thethepete

And for whats its worth, thanks for supplying the pics. :ylsmoke:

 

[boxcar1]

Yup just like these.
As seen on pg 3


If you pull the bed you will also find a few of these on every cross member where ever the bed contacts the frame.

And that picture boxcar posted is not a modern vehicle nor domestic

I never sed it was .
What was sed was " some trucks have tanks suspended from the bed" Your response was ALL TRUCKS have frame mounted tanks. You have obviously never owned an older Chevy or Ford. ( Tank behind seat ring a bell )
You then qualified with NEW and DOMESTIC. The topic is RAM vs CHEVY vs FORD. Do you see new in that description?

Neither had anything to do with the point in question, which was that pulling any bed on any truck is not as simple as it was being described .
Now I'm done.

"Ignorance is bliss"

 

[thethePete]

God bless the pedant.

You're still wrong.