RX1/R, Df, EM1, A7. what to buy?

[Honu]

I love the E-M1

Since I work as a tog I also use FF gear last year with my E-M5 about half my shots were with E-M5 other half ff gear

Since my E-M1 in use about 2/3 are from E-M1
Great handling camera

Personal work %100 E-M1

I love my 85 for classic portraits don't have this focal length for my E-M1 so that is why FF gets used some still waiting on the new panny that is announced today
My ff I use 35 and 85 primes one ultra wide zoom

Also want to try Fuji since focus has gotten better also want to get my hands on a A7r sell off my Nikon gear and use some fun glass CV and Leica on the A7r

At this point I would tell folks E-M1 or Fuji really handle both and buy what ya like
The A7 models IMHO are not a main camera yet as much as they are a secondary camera a photographer wants

Unless you are printing over 24 inches short side and really need the resolution Fuji or Oly are great choices
Smaller lighter lens options and M4/3 has lots of great options in glass
And mirorrless advantage of adapter and any glass you want

 

[Honu]

Seen that before
IDIOTS IMHO maybe trying to hedge there bets and make money by fear tactics ? Who knows but most I know are not buying the BS

I remember everyone saying apple was dead to

Not saying you since your just the messenger posting link

If you're looking at a long term investment in a system this may be worth a read.

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-78714132/

 

[zimm]

the build quality is just fine.. not hollow at all. It actually has some heft to it and is a solid chunk of machine. Granted it's not heavy brass bodied like a Leica, but that's not something I would want anyways.... Build quality on par with canon pro-sumer DSLR models.

check out these works http://500px.com/search?tag=fuji x100

i ran into a used x100 (not x100s) for about 1/2 the existing shelf clearance price. i may get it as a travel camera. what are you using it for? mostly street? the 35mm equiv seems to narrow for architecture or big landscapes, and not narrow enough for portraits.but it does look fun. i dont think ive had fun with a camera in 10 years.


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what is the thread on the end of the lens? are there any decent wide angle adapters for it (dreaming)? i see fuji has a .8 for 350.00 but thats allot for not really much gain. any greater will likely have aberrations, but i thought id ask, maybe you know.

 

[Rallyroo]

I'm leaning toward E-M1 now since I already been using an E-P3 exclusively for the past two years (used my aging Nikon D200 once within same time period). Although the E-P5 did look tempting this weekend during a $250 price drop special at Henry's in Canada so $750 for the E-P5.

My Nikon gear is DX on the wides, FX on the normal to tele. So I'm stuck in the rut of going D7100. Or ditch all my DX lenses and go Df/D610/D800 plus cost of adding FX wides.

But the enjoyment of traveling light with micro 4/3 system has spoiled me so my dSLR, 2.8 zooms and FX primes just sit in the closet. My brain is all over the place.

I wasn't a fan of the slow focusing/hunting on the X100. Did the focusing improve on the X100s?

 

[Rallyroo]

Olympus E-M5 has a $200 instant rebate so the body is now going for $800.

E-M5 for $800 or E-M1 for $1400. Hmmm.

 

[Honu]

I am selling my E-M5 not trying to sell it to you but more the idea I have both E-M5 and E-M1
for me the handling of the E-M1 is so much nicer buttons feel better and tighter and the EVF is years ahead of it ? also the grip is much nicer feeling in hand more like a mini 1 series canon in the fact using it in vert mode is very comfy and fingers fall in place for me nicely both E-M5 and E-M1 put out great files and the output is very close almost impossible to tell the difference but the E-M1 is nicer but you have to pixel peep to know so its nill !
focus ? I would say I notice the E-m1 is nicer I am a center recompose kinda shooter and don't use C-AF modes or things like that ?

when I dumped all my canon and L glass and switched to nikon one reason my buddy has a bunch of D4 and any lens I want to use ? so built in backups and I know i want to get rid of DSLR gear just tired of humping the weight at weddings all day etc.. and just wanting cameras to be fun again and the OMD made shooting FUN

I do use a D600 and 35 and 85 primes with a ultra wide zoom
for the long end the OMD and its IBIS are better than my older 70-200 2.8 L and the OLY 75 1.8 lens is insane sharp ! and just clean and a top lens of all lens like I would take it over the 135 L any day kinda good
CV (voigtlander) has some cool primes manual focus of course and the new panny 42.5 coming out while expensive looks good

I might go with a A7R to replace my D600 since I am doing more portrait work anyway but the E-M1 is amazing a photographer bud of mine just did some big company head shots ended up using the E-M1 and Oly 75 over his nikon gear


but yeah is it worth $800 more than a E-M5 ? that ya have to get both in hand and decide the more robust build and weather sealing might be worth it again for me the EVF and tweaks make it what it should have been and I would say yes its worth it

 

[zimm]

i took a look a Fuji ex1, and with all improvements to the ex2, i think theres plenty to love about that camera. i love the fuji manual controls and and the screen interface doesnt make you feel like you bought a "sony stupid piece of ****" interactive help menu.

http://www.theonion.com/video/sony-releases-new-stupid-piece-of-****-that-doesnt,14309/

all the x-mount lenses are spendy though, and theres nothing out beyond 200mm aps-c without an adapter. i think a cheep super telephoto is needed in the bag.

the x100s may be the best tote along anywhere camera. if i never left a town, me could love it long time. its.. just one lens though, and i think i'd have meltdown with that. my meltdowns are impressive but expensive. the first thing to hit the ohio river was a pager, and its progressed from there. i'd like to avoid that.

thens theres IBIS. the IBIS of the Oly's is just too nice to ignore. 1/8000 shutter speed too.

so the days are counting down, and i cashed in some credit card points so i'll feel like im getting it for free. the biggest hangup now, is the E-P5. yes, i know its not weather proof, and it has an external evf, but its FRIENDLY. it looks like a street shooter/tourist camera. its small without the EVF when you need it to be small. it has a flash. i can i still slap a cheap M43 75-300 (150-600 35mm) on it for the eagles that are roosting near my shop. its the em1 without the tank body, but the em1 body doesnt come with the 18mm lens as does the ep5 kit. there is no em1 kit. that body is an 800.00 premium buying a lens separate. i can buy 2 more lenses for that. its got me thinking and im close to trigger day. do i REALLY need the em1 body? i travel. i sail. it sounds perfect, but is a solution without an issue? would it survive salt water, should that actually happen? only a few lenses are sealed. and i've never actually killed a camera (accidentally).

 

[Rallyroo]

With the E-P5 price drop last week, it changes the game a bit.

E-P5 for $800
E-M5 for $800
E-M1 for $1400

Alex Trebeck says: "Please chose a category."

But in either case, I have already booked a rental for an E-M1 for this coming weekend. I'll see how that goes.

If the E-P5 had a built in EVF and with the recent price drop, I would have bought the E-P5.

 

[zimm]

With the E-P5 price drop last week, it changes the game a bit.
Rr
E-P5 for $800
E-M5 for $800
E-M1 for $1400

Alex Trebeck says: "Please chose a category."

But in either case, I have already booked a rental for an E-M1 for this coming weekend. I'll see how that goes.

If the E-P5 had a built in EVF and with the recent price drop, I would have bought the E-P5.

The ep5 around here is now 1200 usd with evf and 17 mm. Em1 is 1400 no kit. So 500 for the lens and 150 or so for the flash.

Being the 60 macro and 75-300 total 900.oo usd.....

Apples to apples.... I think I want the lenses.

 

[Honu]

leak of the new fuji today looks pretty cool can't wait for Jan 28 announcement hear more about it
http://fujifilm-x.com/teaser140128/en/
Zimm that 60 macro for the M4/3 is insane great lens love love love that thing

I usually use it for work ring shots and stuff ? but finally did some butterflies a bit ago my girl went on a scout trip to some butterfly farm so kinda cheating hahah never shot butterflies before kinda tough cause unlike wedding rings they fly hahaha

full size pic here if anyone is curious about full size ?
http://www.chaddahlquist.com/forums/butterfly_01f.jpg

 

[Arclight]

yea. like i noted, im using an old x-370... and outside of dealing with film limitations, i enjoy pushing the button. i suppose what im doing is trying to find a keeper, and using film as the base line. i think its doable with todays cameras, they are better than film... on the other hand, one has to stop reading about the newest improvements once a choice is made, otherwise, youll go bonkers every 6 months.

My background is years of 35mm manual film cameras. I wanted something that could meet or exceed everything I did with my old Canon FTb. I ended up with an Olympus OM-D (micro 4/3) setup. This camera does everything I need it to, the glass is very sharp, it has an excellent sensor, and it handles just like a 35mm, with good manual controls and programmable buttons. I have an F1.8 20mm pancake lens (roughly equivalent to the 50mm 1.4 or 1.8 35mm prime), a 9-18mm wide-angle zoom, a 45mm F1.8 for portraits and mild telephoto, and a 75-300mm slow zoom. With the pancake lens on, the camera will slip into a jacket pocket just fine.

Best of all, it doesn't scream "I have money!" or "Here comes creepy camera guy!" the way a professional DSLR sometimes does. From a few feet away, you can't tell that it isn't a 1980's Japanese film camera. People just think you're an art student or something and don't hassle you much.

YMMV

Arclight

 

[zimm]

My background is years of 35mm manual film cameras. I wanted something that could meet or exceed everything I did with my old Canon FTb. I ended up with an Olympus OM-D (micro 4/3) setup. This camera does everything I need it to, the glass is very sharp, it has an excellent sensor, and it handles just like a 35mm, with good manual controls and programmable buttons. I have an F1.8 20mm pancake lens (roughly equivalent to the 50mm 1.4 or 1.8 35mm prime), a 9-18mm wide-angle zoom, a 45mm F1.8 for portraits and mild telephoto, and a 75-300mm slow zoom. With the pancake lens on, the camera will slip into a jacket pocket just fine.

Best of all, it doesn't scream "I have money!" or "Here comes creepy camera guy!" the way a professional DSLR sometimes does. From a few feet away, you can't tell that it isn't a 1980's Japanese film camera. People just think you're an art student or something and don't hassle you much.

YMMV

Arclight

How was it getting away from the aperture on the lens? The Fujis are set up exactly how I would set up the program the dials on the old AND they kept the aperture on the lens.

Which brings me to this. . While the olys have 2 X2 dial progemming, 3 of what you're going to program already exist and and are labeled on th fuji. Shutter, exposure, and ap on the lense. That really only leave one program setting, and it isn't like I'm used to messing with white balance every shot. With the oly you get the tchnology, at the cost of soso ergonomics and a menu swamp. The fuji is better thougjt out because they went back to old wheel design instead of inventing a new one. The price is no ibis, slower shutter, and 2x cost of lenses.

I've decided I want a Fujympus xp5!

 

[zimm]

leak of the new fuji today looks pretty cool can't wait for Jan 28 announcement hear more about it
http://fujifilm-x.com/teaser140128/en/
Zimm that 60 macro for the M4/3 is insane great lens love love love that thing
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Interesting. Iso dial. Nice. Only 1/4000 shutter tho. I wonder what that's going to cost.

 

[Honu]

Zimm yeah the 4000 for me is kinda a bummer
also sync speed seems to be below the 250 mark ? so 180 or 200 most likely ?

still looks nice and still excited to see the EVF and a HUGE thing for me is peaking colors ? playing more with some manual focus and just black or just white peaking is not the best sometimes would love colors like the Sony offers ?

cost will be curious some one said $1799 at this point ? who knows but for some on the fence the EVF and Focus speed might be a determining factor meaning if it can't offer more than the XE2 going to be a hard sell

myself I love rear tilt screens so hope it has that !

 

[zimm]

Zimm yeah the 4000 for me is kinda a bummer
also sync speed seems to be below the 250 mark ? so 180 or 200 most likely ?

still looks nice and still excited to see the EVF and a HUGE thing for me is peaking colors ? playing more with some manual focus and just black or just white peaking is not the best sometimes would love colors like the Sony offers ?

cost will be curious some one said $1799 at this point ? who knows but for some on the fence the EVF and Focus speed might be a determining factor meaning if it can't offer more than the XE2 going to be a hard sell

myself I love rear tilt screens so hope it has that !

the lack of a rear tilt in the fuji's is a big black mark for me too. that just seems like such a handy feature with a screen, i cant fathom why they wouldnt put that in. (well, small company with limited skill set fighting above its weight has to limit some things it can provide) its likely the same engine and interior as the xe2, so the shutter would end up at 1/180 for sync most likely. theres no way they added enough to justify 1800 bucks. xe1, xe2, x100s, xpro1, xm1.. all variations on the same core internal hardware pieces.