Solid state batteries will make electric expedition vehicles practical.

[DirtWhiskey]

You know what else can be a right pain in the but? An elaborate and delicate electrical system with key functionality (eat, shower, heat) tied to electronics. I'm fine with induction cooktops etc all power to you and all, but I have no desire to ditch propane. Multiple systems, one fuel. Do you all run ELECTRIC space heating? Really? Propane just works. Gas isn't going away. I see induction cooktops as an option on some campers but the vast majority are built around propane still.

Back to solid state batteries. For sure the future, especially SSB tech that uses less rare earth minerals. They will be expensive at first then get cheap quickly. A game changer for sure if it progresses as fast as traditional LiIon tech.

 

[1000arms]

I'm still trying to get pigs to fly!

Maybe you just need enough bread? 😎

Try “When Pigs Fly Bread” at
https://sendbread.com/pages/about-us. 😀

 

[1000arms]

You know what else can be a right pain in the but? An elaborate and delicate electrical system with key functionality (eat, shower, heat) tied to electronics. I'm fine with induction cooktops etc all power to you and all, but I have no desire to ditch propane. Multiple systems, one fuel. Do you all run ELECTRIC space heating? Really? Propane just works. Gas isn't going away. I see induction cooktops as an option on some campers but the vast majority are built around propane still.

Back to solid state batteries. For sure the future, especially SSB tech that uses less rare earth minerals. They will be expensive at first then get cheap quickly. A game changer for sure if it progresses as fast as traditional LiIon tech.

Mini-split heat-exchangers for air conditioning and more-efficient-heating than space-heaters, down to certain (getting even lower) temperatures, could benefit from high-capacity (and hopefully low cost) batteries.

Yes, I am well aware that a truck cap, propane stove (with 20 pound tank to avoid freezing as easily as the one-pound cans) and a super-insulated cooler (external insulation can work wonders) is a low cost way to travel. ... Leaving out cooler-bound ice-bottles to refreeze on cold nights (and sleeping with one’s water to prevent it freezing), or buying ice in warm areas. 😀

However, it seems to me that there are more and more fire bans (including propane stoves etc), and from what I have read recently about the hazards of burning propane inside, the induction burner does have my attention. 😀

 

[DirtWhiskey]

Mini-split heat-exchangers for air conditioning and more-efficient-heating than space-heaters, down to certain (getting even lower) temperatures, could benefit from high-capacity (and hopefully low cost) batteries.

Yes, I am well aware that a truck cap, propane stove (with 20 pound tank to avoid freezing as easily as the one-pound cans) and a super-insulated cooler (external insulation can work wonders) is a low cost way to travel. ... Leaving out cooler-bound ice-bottles to refreeze on cold nights (and sleeping with one’s water to prevent it freezing), or buying ice in warm areas. 😀

However, it seems to me that there are more and more fire bans (including propane stoves etc), and from what I have read recently about the hazards of burning propane inside, the induction burner does have my attention. 😀

True. Heat pumps, especially 12v inverter variable types, are amazing. We just outfitted our entire bar with heat pumps. Cold weather handling has improved greatly. Any suggestions for a reasonably priced 12v heat pump for our application?

I should disclose I am a fire enthusiast (borderline pyro?). I straight up don't like cooking on induction. Nothing like flame to get those maillard reactions. YMMV of course.

 

[CappyJax]

True. Heat pumps, especially 12v inverter variable types, are amazing. We just outfitted our entire bar with heat pumps. Cold weather handling has improved greatly. Any suggestions for a reasonably priced 12v heat pump for our application?

I should disclose I am a fire enthusiast (borderline pyro?). I straight up don't like cooking on induction. Nothing like flame to get those maillard reactions. YMMV of course.

We had the brand new crappy loud AC on our EKKO replaced with one with a heat pump option and that thing is amazing. So nice not to use any gas at RV parks and we can even run it while driving to keep the house cool or warm for when we stop.

We also have a convection microwave that does good at browning when in convection mode. I grew up in the restaurant business and our family had a purist attitude about fire cooked food. In fact, the restaurants were called "The Flame". However, after learning of all the health effects of gas burning stoves, I made the switch to electric and I couldn't be happier. We can cook everything we do with a flame, but it is faster and much harder to overcook something with induction.

But if you have ICD and like to set things on fire, you might keep the gas stove so you don't move your fascination with fire to things that are more expensive.

 

[DirtWhiskey]

We had the brand new crappy loud AC on our EKKO replaced with one with a heat pump option and that thing is amazing. So nice not to use any gas at RV parks and we can even run it while driving to keep the house cool or warm for when we stop.

We also have a convection microwave that does good at browning when in convection mode. I grew up in the restaurant business and our family had a purist attitude about fire cooked food. In fact, the restaurants were called "The Flame". However, after learning of all the health effects of gas burning stoves, I made the switch to electric and I couldn't be happier. We can cook everything we do with a flame, but it is faster and much harder to overcook something with induction.

But if you have ICD and like to set things on fire, you might keep the gas stove so you don't move your fascination with fire to things that are more expensive.

Haha. I own an Izakaya. Japanese and Korean food. We have woks. 250k-350k btu per burner baby. 20-30 nozzles per pan. Cooking is about controlling carmalizarion. I see the merits of induction in a camping environment for people who choose to do so. I do not and will never. Most of my cooking is live fire over wood/coals unless there's a fire ban. But yeah induction will never replace gas in a commercial environment. Ever.

Edit: can you share the make/model of your heat pump?

 

[CappyJax]

Haha. I own an Izakaya. Japanese and Korean food. We have woks. 250k-350k btu per burner baby. 20-30 nozzles per pan. Cooking is about controlling carmalizarion. I see the merits of induction in a camping environment for people who choose to do so. I do not and will never. Most of my cooking is live fire over wood/coals unless there's a fire ban. But yeah induction will never replace gas in a commercial environment. Ever.

Edit: can you share the make/model of your heat pump?

We have an Eco-cool by Premier. It is a Gree unit. AC, Heat pump, and dehumidifier in one. It is very quiet compared to the stock GE one, and it uses about 1,200W compared to 1,800W from the GE. It is also marketed as an Atmos and a Tosot.


We have considered starting a restaurant and had no trouble finding commercial induction cooktops. It would be much different than the type of restaurant I grew up in as it would be far healthier. The thing we discovered is that the induction cooktops could boil water in 1/4th the time it takes gas to boil water. We even looked at induction cooktops that are contoured to the wok. There really is nothing you can't cook with induction that you can with gas. And many new commercial kitchens are built with electric stoves, ovens, and cooktops because of the health hazards of gas cooking. And the big thing is that it is much much easier to teach someone to cook with induction because you can give them an actual temperature of the pan to target rather than requiring them to develop the experience to judge the temp of a pan over an open flame.

 

[DirtWhiskey]

We have an Eco-cool by Premier. It is a Gree unit. AC, Heat pump, and dehumidifier in one. It is very quiet compared to the stock GE one, and it uses about 1,200W compared to 1,800W from the GE. It is also marketed as an Atmos and a Tosot.


We have considered starting a restaurant and had no trouble finding commercial induction cooktops. It would be much different than the type of restaurant I grew up in as it would be far healthier. The thing we discovered is that the induction cooktops could boil water in 1/4th the time it takes gas to boil water. We even looked at induction cooktops that are contoured to the wok. There really is nothing you can't cook with induction that you can with gas. And many new commercial kitchens are built with electric stoves, ovens, and cooktops because of the health hazards of gas cooking. And the big thing is that it is much much easier to teach someone to cook with induction because you can give them an actual temperature of the pan to target rather than requiring them to develop the experience to judge the temp of a pan over an open flame.

Thanks for the deets Cappyjax. Bookmarked for future use. We have an old Coleman roof unit. Works fine but gobbles power.

We got to demo some induction woks at the Mutual Trading Company tradeshow in Pasadena this year. Chef/partner who is Korean, was, er, not excited. Not was anybody else. Restaurant cooking unfortunately isn't about energy efficiency. It's about kicking stuff out in volume at a high quality. A single equivalent induction wok would draw something close to 75kw PER HEAD. We have four heads. It requires 3 phase power, a new transformer outside etc., line mods, wild Nema waterproof outlets. I mean it could easily cost $100k. Just not practical

 

[1000arms]

True. Heat pumps, especially 12v inverter variable types, are amazing. We just outfitted our entire bar with heat pumps. Cold weather handling has improved greatly. Any suggestions for a reasonably priced 12v heat pump for our application?

I should disclose I am a fire enthusiast (borderline pyro?). I straight up don't like cooking on induction. Nothing like flame to get those maillard reactions. YMMV of course.

Unfortunately I don’t have any suggestions regarding a specific heat pump for you.

If one has an electric system capable of powering an induction burner, and cooks with pots/pans that can be used on an induction burner, one might consider bringing a countertop induction burner along for fire bans. Doing so wouldn’t be much of an expense compared to the electric system needed to power it.

Fire can be a wonderful tool. 😀

 

[plainjaneFJC]

I'm sorry? Did you say charging from 10% to 100% would cost over $432 and get 1,000 miles? That's $216 for 500 miles

No doubt I'm missing the point here, but call me when the cost isn't two and three times what it cost me now. Then, THEN, I'll be excited.

This brings to mind all the fuss made of so called private space ventures - with ex NASA engineers and astronauts - flew up into the sky real high for a minute. Now they want to go to the moon...Damn, we did that 50 and 60 years ago. Lemme know when something consequential happens.

Some stuff is just mind boggling. I sat in an engineering class last week that was pushing heat pump equipment for domestic water heating with electric back up to quote “decarbonize” the building- I about fell out of my chair when they said they installed gas generators outside to meet the increased demand..😆

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Yeah, just go nuclear already. We're going to go back to it eventually.

Um...no. I hope not. The environmentalists back in the day would roll over in their graves that the environmentalists today are advocating this, when it was everything they could do to get plants shut down in the 80', 90's and 00's.

It's not that it doesn't produce enough power or anything like that. We've seen what one stupid mistake costs when it comes to nuclear energy, and we've seen it at least twice. Keep working on solar and wind and geothermal.

 

[Jupiter58]

Um...no. I hope not. The environmentalists back in the day would roll over in their graves that the environmentalists today are advocating this, when it was everything they could do to get plants shut down in the 80', 90's and 00's.

It's not that it doesn't produce enough power or anything like that. We've seen what one stupid mistake costs when it comes to nuclear energy, and we've seen it at least twice. Keep working on solar and wind and geothermal.

I believe we had this discussion before. What when and where was that ‘one’ stupid mistake? How many deaths or how much environmental damage has been done anywhere in the US from commercial nuclear power plants??
Do you have any facts???

 

[ThundahBeagle]

I believe we had this discussion before. What when and where was that ‘one’ stupid mistake? How many deaths or how much environmental damage has been done anywhere in the US from commercial nuclear power plants??
Do you have any facts???

Three Mile Island reactor 2 (1979). The subsequent restart of reactor 1 was mind boggling.

Half the locations near and downwind of test sites in Nevada, Bimini Island, etc.

Closing of Yankee Row, Elk River, Fermi 1, Three Mile Island 1 (2019) and any number of other nuclear power stations across the country. For what reasons exactly?

Chernobyl at Pripyat (1986). Not US but had far reaching effects beyond the Soviet border. See anybody living in that zone yet?

Fukushima 2011. Three reactor meltdowns after a tsunami and resultant radiation into the ocean that causes the FDA to have to check food imported from that region for radionuclides to this day.

It's really kind of up to the nuclear industry to prove to people it is safe technology. Not for supposed environmentalists to simply state that it is green, when at one point, it was considered the bane of environmentalists everywhere. Tell me, what changed? How is nuclear is all of a sudden considered safe?

You tell me.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

I believe we had this discussion before. What when and where was that ‘one’ stupid mistake? How many deaths or how much environmental damage has been done anywhere in the US from commercial nuclear power plants??
Do you have any facts???

Three Mile Island reactor 2 (meltdown 1979)

Half the locations near and downwind of test sites in Nevada, Bimini Island, etc.

Closing Yankee Row (safety 1991) , Elk River (leaks, 1968, Fermi 1(partial meltdown 1966, closed 1972), Three Mile Island 1 (2019 no more subsidy) and any number of other nuclear power stations across the country. For what reasons exactly?

Chernobyl at Pripyat (1986). Not US but had far reaching effects beyond the Soviet border.

It's really kind of up to the nuclear industry to prove to people it is safe technology. Not for supposed environmentalists to simply state that it is green, when at one point, it was considered the bane of environmentalists everywhere. Tell me, what changed? How is nuclear safe now?

 

[ThundahBeagle]

I believe we had this discussion before. What when and where was that ‘one’ stupid mistake? How many deaths or how much environmental damage has been done anywhere in the US from commercial nuclear power plants??
Do you have any facts???

If you know what equipment was handed out in the aftermath of Thee Mile, for the purpose of collecting information on how much radiation had leaked, then you know it was insufficient. It's easy not to see a broken bone when you dont run an x-ray, you can say there are no confirmed broken bones.

That's how they operated at 3-mile in 79. Cancer rates in that area? Him "undetermined cause." But on the Nuclear event scale it's a 5 out of 7 but somehow no deaths directly attributed...

Okay. Hang your hat on that. Phillip Morris, but Gundersen was an expert witness in that investigation and said the government numbers were off by a factor off 100 up to 1000. So his contributions towards the Kemeny Report are conveniently forgotten.

How may died as a result of Chernobyl? A handful, maybe, in the blast. 30 or so within a month or so. 5,000 thyroid cancer cases, 10,000 or so cancer fatalities in the are and a couple of neighboring countries nearby.