timmy!!!!!!!
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The QT mounts have a bushing in the center to help with the vibration issues and if that bushing fails it will collapse on itselfs so you will still have a motor mount.
Stolenheron's 04 D2 thread
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stolenheron
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took the awning off today. the wet season is here in FL and the cover was filling up with rain water, which would then pour into my driverside window (if open) at a stop light. which was my first reason. second reason, i never got a chance to use it on my TX trip which was my original purpose for building it. so oh well, those of you who hated it (or posted it on EE, which is hilarious) you can rejoice.
it'll be a standard fly until i find a used awning
well found out some cool stuff today and did some work on the items i found on my hikes that i kept.
-sharpened up the double edged axe... she'll work some magic on any tree now.
-took the fire extinguisher to a fire suppressant company to be inspected and filled.
it is in fact US Military. the tank is identical to the auto-fire suppressant system in the HMMWVs, however it is a hand held system so it may have been in a humvee or any other military transport/armored ground vehicle. it was built in 2002. it is a CO2 based system for electrical or gasoline fires (i.e. for vehicle use only). The tank should be good no matter what, but the condition of the valve is unknown. they are gonna test it tomorrow and give me a call. if the valve on the handle is bad, the tank 99% most likely, will be good. so i will have an 8.3lb CO2 tank which i will buy fittings for. i will probably keep it in the truck for tire use, obviously it isnt very big but it could help me keep a leaking tire filled with air long enough to get me home or to a place where i can switch to my spare rim more easily, which is worth the $12.50 filling fee.
anyway, i'm kidding excited having a better idea of what it was in fact used for and when it was made.
if it can be used as an extinguisher, anyone have mounting options or ideas of where to place it in my rover?
it'll be a standard fly until i find a used awning
well found out some cool stuff today and did some work on the items i found on my hikes that i kept.
-sharpened up the double edged axe... she'll work some magic on any tree now.
-took the fire extinguisher to a fire suppressant company to be inspected and filled.
it is in fact US Military. the tank is identical to the auto-fire suppressant system in the HMMWVs, however it is a hand held system so it may have been in a humvee or any other military transport/armored ground vehicle. it was built in 2002. it is a CO2 based system for electrical or gasoline fires (i.e. for vehicle use only). The tank should be good no matter what, but the condition of the valve is unknown. they are gonna test it tomorrow and give me a call. if the valve on the handle is bad, the tank 99% most likely, will be good. so i will have an 8.3lb CO2 tank which i will buy fittings for. i will probably keep it in the truck for tire use, obviously it isnt very big but it could help me keep a leaking tire filled with air long enough to get me home or to a place where i can switch to my spare rim more easily, which is worth the $12.50 filling fee.
anyway, i'm kidding excited having a better idea of what it was in fact used for and when it was made.
if it can be used as an extinguisher, anyone have mounting options or ideas of where to place it in my rover?
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stolenheron
Explorer
so it turns out the tank itself weighs 8.3lbs however it only holds 2.1lbs.
bad news: the fire extinguisher valve is bad.
great news: added a generic CO2 high pressure valve and fitting to convert it to work with your normal air tool/tire filler hose fittings. its sealed tight, and doesnt leak.
called powertank, they said it will fill a 32" tire (i have under 32" tires) six times to raise it 10psi. it will fill 1 32" tire up to 60psi from flat. so 1 fill of this tank (which costs $10) will fill up my tires from 29psi which i air down to back up to 40psi for street driving.
i couldnt ask for more from some junk i found in the woods.
total investment for fittings and 1 fill of CO2 = $50
new 10lb powertank is several hundred dollars.
win.
i know its awkward because the one fitting is long, but they are only 1 or 2 bucks so i can find a shorter one, the welding shop was out of shorter ones. i just need to figure out how i will secure it. it'll come in and out as needed, i wont leave it in the car in this heat, it'd be a dumb idea to do so for sure.
i know this is a very puny and ghetto setup, but it will work until i can get a compressor or real powertank setup.
bad news: the fire extinguisher valve is bad.
great news: added a generic CO2 high pressure valve and fitting to convert it to work with your normal air tool/tire filler hose fittings. its sealed tight, and doesnt leak.
called powertank, they said it will fill a 32" tire (i have under 32" tires) six times to raise it 10psi. it will fill 1 32" tire up to 60psi from flat. so 1 fill of this tank (which costs $10) will fill up my tires from 29psi which i air down to back up to 40psi for street driving.
i couldnt ask for more from some junk i found in the woods.
total investment for fittings and 1 fill of CO2 = $50
new 10lb powertank is several hundred dollars.
win.
i know its awkward because the one fitting is long, but they are only 1 or 2 bucks so i can find a shorter one, the welding shop was out of shorter ones. i just need to figure out how i will secure it. it'll come in and out as needed, i wont leave it in the car in this heat, it'd be a dumb idea to do so for sure.
i know this is a very puny and ghetto setup, but it will work until i can get a compressor or real powertank setup.
pangaea
Adventurer
6 tire inflations per filling? So you'll have to recharge it pretty much after every outing. That sounds tedious (and expensive).
I think you'll find that the financial win is only short term. The major cost of filling a CO2 tank is fitting it to their apparatus. After that the actual volume put in there is a minimal add'l charge.
Filling a 15lb Power Tank is probably going to cost about $15, and give you about 100 inflations. You'll spend about $170 at AirGas with the current set up.
Personally, I fill up a PowerTank about 2-3 times per season. Meaning I'd be spending $45/year on CO2, whereas you'd be somewhere in the neighborhood of $510 PER YEAR just in refills.
I don't mean to bag on your set up. It's kind of neat looking, and might make for a good emergency air set up or tank for powering lockers. I just don't think you'll find it's that great in practical application.
I think you'll find that the financial win is only short term. The major cost of filling a CO2 tank is fitting it to their apparatus. After that the actual volume put in there is a minimal add'l charge.
Filling a 15lb Power Tank is probably going to cost about $15, and give you about 100 inflations. You'll spend about $170 at AirGas with the current set up.
Personally, I fill up a PowerTank about 2-3 times per season. Meaning I'd be spending $45/year on CO2, whereas you'd be somewhere in the neighborhood of $510 PER YEAR just in refills.
I don't mean to bag on your set up. It's kind of neat looking, and might make for a good emergency air set up or tank for powering lockers. I just don't think you'll find it's that great in practical application.
stolenheron
Explorer
i only air down about 4 times a year, everything else i do is forest roads or is light enough to where i dont even need to. if its $10 a filling then that is only $40. in the past 12 months i've needed to air down a total of 3 times even though i've put over 3,000 miles on the truck on dirt roads or no roads in that time period.
Chazz Layne
Administrator
40 highway, 16 everywhere else for me...
leeawalden
Adventurer
its pretty cool little setup to use incase of an emergency. I think it'd be more cost efficient to get a 12v compressor or save up for a larger C02 tank. Powertank sells a little one like that I think. I'd just try and make it to a gas station.
stolenheron
Explorer
michael, i'm on 18s. if i air down much more than that i will blow a bead. North Peak at hidden falls almost killed my driverside front tire. the LR3 with us only aired down to that too and 40psi is street pressure lol if ur driving on 29 ur killing ur gas mileage. if i had 16" rims this would be a much different situation. 18s throw things completely out of whack
u'll never see me air down for tuskegee even if i spent the whole weekend there....which i regularly do. its a little bit of a rougher ride, but so be it. amicalola is obviously a place i will air down... then again with the way tuskegee has been in the past 6 months i just might have to hahaha
yes lee, it is cheaper in the long run to go with an air compressor, thats the plan. but 5 -10 fill ups will still be in the "it was worth it" range on this little tank. and i can still sell the tank with valve for more than i paid for it.
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michaels
Explorer
you could at least air down to 20 with 18s. you aren't going to blow a freaking bead with 20 psi. get real.
Chazz Layne
Administrator
I forgot you were on 18s as well. I didn't air down at all when I was on them, never found much of a need between that and the super-flexible Nittos.
Rovertrader
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think full balloon vs half full. At 40 you will likely blow a sidewall(which I have done on the LR3), which is already way too short on 18's- we run 20 always off road with 18's, and 12 with 16s. The supposed ideal is 10" of sidewall, or 36s on 16s- for offroad use.
stolenheron
Explorer
obviously at 40psi there are alot of issues when u get anything more extreme than dirt roads.
here at North Peak, i had to angle into the hill, turn my wheel then angle away from it...at least that was the idea.
my tires 285/65/18s were at 29psi. when i turned into the hill as pictured, the outside edge of the tire/ rim with completely flat with the ground, there was absolutely no air between the rim and ground on that outside lower lip. when i tried to turn the wheel, i ended up bending something in my steering. an alignment fixed most of it, however its still 2 degrees off. i had to get winched back another foot and turn that much earlier. we had 4 trucks do this before i even did it, all running 16s including 1 running 16" rims with 32 tires. no one had issues, but me.
luckily that toyo sidewall is flexible as hell, everyone was shocked that a sidewall didnt tear or the bead come un-done there.
i'm not arguing here. i'm trying to figure out what the issue was here on this obstacle, obviously 18s had something to do with it but the tire pressure i was at did to.
i figured had i been in this situation with less tire pressure the side wall would have ripped just because the rim is pressing down on the middle of the sidewall that is kinked together completely from most of the weight of a (almost) 3 ton truck on it. i had just enough air to keep it together, if i had less (or alot more air) im pretty sure i would have had more issues. am i wrong?
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Chazz Layne
Administrator
Nope, I'd have to agree 100%. That's the tricky part about 18s... finding that magic number where you get all the flexibility out of the tread you can before running a rim on the ground. Looks like with your truck's weight on that tire size 29psi is about it. In my case, with 32s on 16s, that number is 16psi (I'd blow a bead if I went to 12 under my current weight :Wow1: ).
I have to say you are mistaken in how you think tires function.
a fully aired up tire is more likely to cut asidewall because the air pressure prevents the side wall from flexing away from what it is coming in contact with.
Also a correctly aired down tire allows you to take lines that allow you to protect your tires as fully aired up tires tend to loose traction and slid against the obstacles you are trying to avoid to protect your tires.
The advice on the air tank was sound and you look silly trying to argue against it.
For the same $50 you can get a cheap cigarette lighter plug in compresor and have more then 6 tires covered.
a fully aired up tire is more likely to cut asidewall because the air pressure prevents the side wall from flexing away from what it is coming in contact with.
Also a correctly aired down tire allows you to take lines that allow you to protect your tires as fully aired up tires tend to loose traction and slid against the obstacles you are trying to avoid to protect your tires.
The advice on the air tank was sound and you look silly trying to argue against it.
For the same $50 you can get a cheap cigarette lighter plug in compresor and have more then 6 tires covered.